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And lame, so double offensive : Which episodes DON'T you like?
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May 3rd 2006 edited

There's nothing else like The Office on television, and I'm sure I'm not alone when I say it's my favorite show being made right now. But everyone has one or two episodes that just don't do it. Which are yours?

For me, "Dwight's Speech" feels kind of thin. The business with the thermostat really didn't go anywhere, and seemed like either filler or a solid subplot that got mostly cut. Also, I didn't find the audience's enthusiastic reaction to Mussolini's words very convincing. I dunno, it just seemed off.

That said, "Dwight's Speech" was also the episode with the football and Creed's Mandarin shout-out, as well as some solid character development for Jim, so it wasn't all bad. That's the other thing this thread is for: if Person A doesn't like a particular episode, Person B is free to offer a defense of its merits.

Let's get this party started -- hah! Where's that wine?

May 3rd 2006

business with the thermostat really didn't go anywhere

Ahh, but have you ever worked in an office where this is an issue? It seems like there is one of these everywhere I go. And the point is, it doesn't go anywhere. You're never going to convince me that 68 isn't chilly, and some people just can't handle a comfortable 71. I found the whole bit hysterical! The only resolution I have ever had to this conflict involved someone leaving for good. That being said, Dwight's Speech isn't my favorite episode, either. But the thermostat war was probably the best part! Maybe it was filler, but it was FUNNY filler!

May 3rd 2006

well...any girl that loves Jim...and who doesn't?...should probably be a little bummed over the Hot Girl episode...some of the stuff is amazing...like, "I'll be the prettiest girl at the ball"...but when Jim takes Katie home, you just know it's the start of something bad...I watch it up to a point and then turn it off...Jim is Pam, and Pam is Jim, and that's just it...there's no room for some foxy purse saleswoman.

and maybe...Boys and Girls...a little blase, but ok.

May 3rd 2006

I'd agree with "Dwight's speech", but only the actual speech, the rest of the episode was pretty good

May 3rd 2006

Hi:

"Dwight's Speech" would be at the bottom of my list. As would "The Carpet" (although, the end where Jim is listening to all of Pam's voice messages, sort of redeems the episode)

May 3rd 2006

Is it just me or have the last few episodes been...off? Like something has happened with the writers and some kind of magic isn't there anymore? Like from "the carpet" or maybe "boys and girls" on, something's different? Am i just dreaming? I haven't been IN LOVE with the last 6 or 7 episodes like the rest of them. Am i going crazy or does anyone else feel this way?

May 3rd 2006

I'm with you, Yesh. Something's amiss.

May 3rd 2006

Aha! I'm not crazy! It's like the jokes have been dumbed down now that the audience has grown. Sure, there's some gems thrown in each episode, but for the most part it's not the same. It's more mainstream now or something. I wish I could explain it. The characters used to seem like real people, but now it's like they've established how each character acts and turned them up to 11, almost overkill. I'm thinking "I'm sure Kelly will pop up anytime now talking fast and being annoying." or "Dwight and Angela are about to have a weird moment." I don't know. I should stop. I'm sort of bashing the show when in reality I still like all of the episodes and I'll probably watch them all 200 times. But seriously, the show's changing right under our noses and I haven't seen anyone discussing it.

May 3rd 2006

I think "The Injury" was the last one that felt right, and even that was a little cartoonish. "Michael's Birthday" has been the best since then, I think.

May 3rd 2006

Yeah, that was a good one. "Drug Testing" could've used a LITTLE less Dwight. Not much though. Just a little less I think. I would've liked it if there was a little more Michael. Maybe explaining how he felt after he smoked the "clove cigarettes". That probably would've been funny. I liked his Doobie Brothers thing, but that was about it. I'm done now.

May 3rd 2006 edited

Yesh,

I can see what you mean, when you said that you're starting to sort of expect some of the exchanges among the characters, and it's interesting you brought it up because we're all so in love with the characters that we don't even think about that. With that being said, I think this is the natural progression of the show. Especially the last few episodes, we've just kind of watched the characters being portrayed the way we expect them to, like we're not really discovering anything new about them. But also I think that's the reality, we've come to know these characters from the first half of season 2 and season 1. In the beginning of the season, the writers have more room to write new things about the characters. As we're winding down to the finale, I think their main goal is to write towards a resolution for some storylines, like Dwight and Angela's weird moments, maybe that'll reach somewhere in the end. I guess it's harder to start a new plot when you're near the end of the season. (When Dwight and Angela got together, it was so strange and new to the viewers) So I guess what I'm trying to say is the latter episodes may be more about the overall path of the storylines, whereas the earlier episodes are more character and relationship development, which in a way can be more refreshing for some. I'm sure in the beginning of season 3, we'll see more storylines branch out and bring new light to the characters.

whew that was long...sorry if I sound like I'm just repeating things that everyone already know... It is still my and OUR favorite show EVER!

May 3rd 2006 edited

sandy, I agree completely. Season 1 and the first half of Season 2 were all about establishing characters, and were more or less interchangeable in terms of order -- the continuity was always basically reset by the end of the episode.

About halfway through Season 2, they started introducing these relationships -- Michael and Jan, Dwight and Angela, Kelly and Ryan, and the obvious Jim/Pam turning point in "Booze Cruise" -- and chronology became very important. You couldn't show the episodes out of order to someone who'd never seen them. At that point, the writing definitely took a different direction, as the writers are pretty clearly trying to figure out where to go with all these story arcs. It's still whip-smart and funny as hell, and one of the most sophisticated things on network TV, but there's a palpable change.

Sorry to go on about the subject -- my dad's a comedy writer, and I grew up listening to his tirades about this stuff, so I have a real tendency to overanalyze.

May 3rd 2006

I'm thinking (hoping?) that perhaps this is being used as a device to throw us off all the more in the season's final two episodes. If we expect the characters to act a certain way, and they act differently, doesn't that make it more surprising and funny or something?

I'm actually guessing that the season 3 storylines will be laid out in the next two weeks, with or without resolution to the season 2 storylines. Instead of waiting till September to bring new light to the characters, as sandy suggests, I'm thinking that new light starts to shine starting in about 20 hours.

May 4th 2006

I feel like each episode is trying to cover too much. It seems like they are developing the minor characters more, which is awesome, but it creates more plotlines, and therefore each one isn't given the time it needs in each episode. For instance, in "Take Your Daughter to Work Day," almost every character is an integral part of the plot (Creed, Phyllis, and Oscar are the only characters that I can think of who aren't). I feel that the show is being spread too thin by splitting time between so many characters.

May 4th 2006

Nathan, I totally agree. The Injury and Michael's Birthday were great. Both were of the same humor / awkwardness of the British version, as well as Season 1.
Many of the episodes have been made to appeal to a wider audience (can't blame them for wanting the $$), it seems like there is more of a mainstream feel to it - jokes everyone would understand, and less offensive, etc. I liked how Diversity Day and Sexual Harrassment really make you feel uncomfortable because the characters are feeling so uncomfortable.
But regardless, I am still totally hooked and would not miss an episode. I am not slamming the Office - just a little disappointed that the humor has slightly changed. Office, I love you. Don't take this personally.

May 4th 2006

I think tonights episode (Conflict Resolution) definitely threw a curve balls to mix things up. Not anything close to what I normally expect from ANY of the characters...well, Michael was his usual dorky self. But we can't have too much change in one night :)

May 7th 2006

Conflict Resolution was bloody fantastic. Definitely in my Top 10 Episodes. I was really happy cause I didn't care for Drug Testing. The humor seemed kind of inane and there weren't many moments where you both laugh and feel sad. Michael's Birthday wasn't bad, I thought, but Michael's crudeness seemed a bit over-the-top.

May 18th 2006

I don't understand why people don't like "Dwight's Speech" -I thought it was hilarious. The audience reaction to Dwight was a bit over-the-top, yeah, but what is the show saying about the typical corporate salesperson when it shows them loving a Mussolini-like speech? It's over-the-top, but really good satire.

May 18th 2006

The thermostat thing was so funny to me too because I can totally relate to it. I worked at a preschool, the classroom with the children not the office. Everyday I would come in and get my room all cozy. The class across the hallway was controlled by my thermostat as well. The teacher in that room has a high matabolism and he was always burning up so he'd come in my room everyday and turn it down.

The funny thing was that when the kids took their 2 hour nap, our team teachers would take their lunch breaks so there was only one teacher at a time in the classroom with the sleeping children. That's when I would take advantage of the situation and crank it back up. The other teacher would have to suffer from the heat because he couldn't leave the children alone to come and change the thermostat. I did that to him all the time. He'd complain about it all the time but I couldn't help it, I was cold. This went on day after day. I actually really miss working with him. It was a lot of fun.

May 18th 2006

The only complaint I'll make is that us seems they're spreading the episodes too thin over too many characters since they made the supporting cast regulars.

May 18th 2006 edited

I've been watching since the pilot and have seen every one as it aired (thanks to TiVo).

I feel the show took a markedly different tone (and I understand this was intentional) from S1 to S2. They changed the lighting and color saturation of the video, so the look is a bit different too. Not to mention Steve Carell's physical transformation.

At first it bothered me.

But then again, it brought in more viewers, and that's a good thing. Or we wouldn't be having a next season.

By the time Booze Cruise hit, I was totally over the tone change. I'm in love with every episode. I respectfully disagree with those who think some of the recent episodes are off. IMHO, y'all are trippin!

Sure, some of it is over the top. But it's comedy! In stark contrast, we have the most real-feeling relationship ever portrayed on TV. That's the whole beauty of it!

May 19th 2006

Every time I think that I don't really like a certain episode, I watch it again and realize that I really do like it.

Jun 17th 2006 edited

In my opinion, the worst 5 episodes happened in order: Boys and Girls, Valentine's Day, Dwight's Speech, Take Your Daughter to Work Day, and Michael's Birthday. Oddly enough, I enjoy The Carpet more than any of the previously mentioned. I remembered Halloween, The Secret, and Office Olympics as weak on the first viewing but after watching more they've become some of my favorites. Also, I thought Drug Testing, Conflict Resolution, and Casino Night were a quite strong ending for season 2.

Jun 18th 2006

There aren't any episodes I completely hate. But there are parts I can't stand. One of my favorites is the Alliance. I love the Jim/Dwight stuff, but usually fast-forward the Meredith's birthday scenes.

Sep 8th 2006

Yeah, I'm with you, 2' Closer to Copier, The Alliance is one of my favorites, too, but I always skip the bird-day card scene towards the end! Once was enough for that one.

I really dislike the Sexual Harassment episode. I love all of our regular characters, even when they are being annoying, but I just cannot handle Todd Packer. Anytime he shows up, I feel a great disgust/dislike for him. So that means that the actor is doing a really good job, I guess. But I would be happy if he never showed up again, which is probably unlikely...

Wasn't a big fan of Dwight's Speech either. But I will echo someone's sentiments earlier: every time I think an episode isn't that funny on the first showing, I start thinking about parts of it later and realize it was funnier than I remembered. And when I watch it again, I like it a lot better. O.K., not so with Sexual Harassment, but for all of the others, yes.

Sep 8th 2006 edited

There are two events from the show that kind of bother me, and both are because I've seen the same jokes on Seinfeld. 1) When Michael thinking Kevin's 'negative' results from his skin cancer test meant that he had cancer (there was a similar incident with George thinking his 'negative' results from his lip discoloration meant that he had cancer,) and 2) In the fire when Michael shoves everyone aside to get out of the building (also done by George.)

Oct 1st 2006

The Pilot really wasn't that funny, even though I guess it's unfair to say that....given that, I wasn't really a fan of the "Office Olympics." The Michael/Dwight stuff was good, but the stuff in the office seemed like filler to me- and the "closing ceremony" of it might've been the biggest waste of air time I've seen on the show so far.

Oct 2nd 2006

"closing ceremony" of it might've been the biggest waste of air time I've seen on the show so far.

Wow...even with Michael's tearing up? One of my fav moments. But actually I just lose it every time Michael even thinks about getting emotional. Why is that so funny? (well I guess it's not so funny to all...)

Anyway, welcome to the forum, BlackEyedCrowes. Great Michael line; great name.

Oct 3rd 2006

There are two events from the show that kind of bother me, and both are because I've seen the same jokes on Seinfeld. 1) When Michael thinking Kevin's 'negative' results from his skin cancer test meant that he had cancer (there was a similar incident with George thinking his 'negative' results from his lip discoloration meant that he had cancer,) and 2) In the fire when Michael shoves everyone aside to get out of the building (also done by George.)

I agree PPB. Your item #1 especially bothered me when it aired, and I had forgotten about item #2 until I just read it in your post.

My least favorite episode has been Sexual Harrassment. It's just too gross for me. (What can I say, I'm delicate!) I don't really like anything with Todd Packer. The Pilot and the recent Gay Witch Hunt also rank low on my list.

Oct 4th 2006

Black Eyed Crows, I have to respectfully disagree with you on the "Closing Ceremonies" bit--I thought that was pure genius on Jim's part. Michael thinks the whole office is celebrating him "closing" on the condo, and Jim and the rest of the "athletes" get their real closing ceremonies. I would never have thought of something that clever...

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