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Jim & Pam - The missing 10 minutes
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Jun 10th 2006

What do you think happened in the 10 minutes after Jim's confession of love to Pam, and the kiss upstairs in the office?

Do you think Jim talked to Jan again (because she had left during that time and Jim also headed toward the exit)?

Did he go in his car and reflect on his relationship with Pam?

Did the camera crew tell him something they thought he should know?

There are about a million possibilities I'm sure. Post your ideas here.

Jun 10th 2006 edited

I'm guessing Jim did some reflecting on that significant 2 minutes of his life. I picture him leaning on the fences of the parking lot, looking down on his shoes, hands in his pockets. Maybe grab a drink from the warehouse. Then, he finally came to the conclusion that no, he definitley did not misinterpret his relationship with Pam. I always believed that Jim went up to the office to pack up his things... Because he's confesed and there's really no other reason for him to stay. But hark! Who did he find telephoning her mother there? The illuminating Pamela Beesly herself. Perhaps the alcohol kicked in and he aided him to take a gutsy initiative, kissing Pam (á la Dundies, you know).

As for Pam, I say that she immediatly went upstairs to make a phone call to her mom.

Who knows, I could be completely and utterly wrong.

Jun 10th 2006 edited

Wait, I change my mind. Pam didn't immediatly call her mom. She went upstairs to contemplate the situation (next to Jim's desk), and felt the best way to deal is to call her mom. A good move on her part.

Jun 10th 2006 edited

I believe that Jim wasn't satisfied with what he told Pam. It wasn't enough. Sure, he made the leap, and told her how he felt..., "once." Then, he just had to show her, because there was still so much he couldn't say. Pam could only go back to the office, where she was somewhat comfortable and secure (Jim's desk), to finally stop tricking herself about her feelings for Jim, Roy, and her dream terrace. Jim probably moped around, back and forth in the parking lot, and just decided to "go all in," and complete his leap of faith...

Afterall, it's one thing for him to tell her, it's another to show, and it's another, the kiss, to make her believe.

Or, atleast, that's how I like to believe it...

Jun 10th 2006

Afterall, it's one thing for him to tell her, it's another to show, and it's another, the kiss, to make her believe.

I agree completely. I said that to a girlfriend once who kept telling me she loved me, but her actions stated quite the opposite. I strongly believe actions speak louder than words. Jim and Pam's reactions to each other for the entire show so far have been evidence of this.

Jun 11th 2006

Jim had his keys in hand, so he was leaving for the night until Roy asked him to keep an eye on Pam. After his confession, he continues to walk toward the entrance/exit of the parking lot. I’m trying to figure out what made him decide to go back in? Did he look back and see Pam go inside?

According to Toby’s comment earlier, Casino Night happened on a school night so everyone would be back at work the next day. Jim probably thought that he can’t go back to work tomorrow and act as if nothing had happened.

He probably had in mind Dwight’s comment in Conflict Resolution. When Jim suggested that Dwight go for the transfer in Stamford as well, Dwight said, “I have a girlfriend.” So, having a girlfriend is reason enough to stay. We know Jim also agrees with this line of reasoning because in the Halloween episode, he mentioned to the camera that if Pam didn’t work there anymore, he would go for that job in Maryland; inferring that he is staying because of Pam.

After the confession on Casino Night, Pam’s words made it clear to Jim that he had no future with her so he decided to go back upstairs and gather his things together and leave for good. There is no more reason for him to stay.

On the other hand, when you think about it, Pam really wasn’t so clear. Her words said one thing, but her tone of voice said another. “what are you doing?”, “What do you want me to say to that?”, “I can’t?” Maybe Jim wasn’t satisfied with Pam’s response, so he followed her upstairs to find out once and for all.

I keep thinking that the poker game between Jim and Pam was an analogy of their relationship. All of the fun they’ve had together up to this point can be compared to bluffing (because she’s engaged). Jim says he thinks she’s bluffing. Kevin says she’s full of it. Jim calls her bluff and then Pam shows him a straight. Was she ‘straight’ when she told him that he had misinterpreted things, or was she ‘straight’ when she kissed him back? They clap and Kevin says, “Jim Halpert, Ladies and Gentlemen.” Kevin said it as if Jim just scored or something. Why is he congratulating Jim when Pam won the hand? Then Jim says, “Thank you very much, it was fun.” Acknowledging the congrats from Kevin.

I know this post is sort of rambling, but I’ve been thinking over these scenes for a month now, and I hope you guys can help me figure it all out.

Jun 11th 2006

They clap and Kevin says, “Jim Halpert, Ladies and Gentlemen.” Kevin said it as if Jim just scored or something. Why is he congratulating Jim when Pam won the hand?

I've wondered about this since the finale aired. I know NOTHING about poker and only know Pam won because she began gathering the chips! I didn't get that whole exchange - why Kevin would congratulate Jim. I too, thought the poker game was an analogy or foreshadowing the future. All the talk of bluffing, the flash of Pam's engagement ring, the "I'm going to take you all in," stuff...it might very well just be a coincidence, but I hold the writers in high esteem, so I'm thinking it's pretty meaningful.

Jun 11th 2006

Kevin wasn't exactly congratulating Jim. It was more of a farewell, I think. Like you might applaude a runner-up for doing a commendable job that wasn't quite good enough. And if that is how it's supposed to be taken, that doesn't bode well for our hero.

Jun 11th 2006

I think Jim moped around for a while, maybe did a lap in the parking lot, maybe sat in his car, and replayed the conversation in his head and realized her response was somewhat ambigious and didn't completely reject him. I also think that Jim feels that deep down she loves him too and she just needed that jolt to realize it. So he figured he had to give it one more try and went to look for her. The office was as good a place to look as any and that's where she happened to be.

A lot of people seem to believe that he went back to the office to clean out his desk because he was transferring. I have never thought that, I think his response to Jan was "Yes, I'm still thinking about transferring" not "Yes, I will transfer" and I think there is a good chance he will still be in the Scranton office when S3 starts. If Pam left the door open for him in the conversation that happened after the show ended, he will probably stick around to fight it out. And if he is transferring, it's not like he would be in Stamford the next day. They have to negiotate salary and moving expenses, he has to square away his living situation in Scranton and find a place in Stamford, etc., etc. People that have transferred in my company have taken up to a month to start in the new place.

And I don't think Kevin's comment had any hidden meaning. I agree with the interaction between Jim & Pam being an analogy for their relationship, but I think Kevin's remark was just to goof on Jim for making a silly play and losing the hand.

Jun 11th 2006

Trent, that's sounds logical especially since Jim gave up all of the chips he had for that one hand. Losing that hand would put him out of the game. That analogy could work well with the kiss. He gave up everything to have that one chance to kiss Pam (while he's still in the game). By calling her bluff, he might find out what her true feelings were. If he loses he may as well give up his job and Pam because she is to be married in a few short weeks. The gamble though, is worth the risk to Halpert.

Jun 12th 2006 edited

Mixed Berries said:

Prism Duro-Sport said: Afterall, it's one thing for him to tell her, it's another to show, and it's another, the kiss, to make her believe.

I agree completely. I said that to a girlfriend once who kept telling me she loved me, but her actions stated quite the opposite. I strongly believe actions speak louder than words. Jim and Pam's reactions to each other for the entire show so far have been evidence of this.

Mixed Berries, I knew someone out there would get it! And, yeah, I've had a few experiences like that. That's one of the reasons why I really connect with the whole Jim/Pam thing...and the show for that matter.

And all you kids out there, write that line down somewhere. It'll be of use in the years to come - a public service announcement from yours truly.

May 3rd 2007

Well, this is a nice little hidden-in-the-deep-pages thread! I agree with those who say Jim went up there to talk to Pam, or, perhaps, just go and sit at his desk where he is most comfortable. While he did, in fact, transfer, as many above said, he wouldn't have moved the next day. And the poker game definitely meant something, though I don't think Kevin's comments did.

May 3rd 2007

And the poker game definitely meant something

It meant everything. Pam has never been more fetching.

May 3rd 2007

It meant everything. Pam has never been more fetching.

If I had to choose one or the other to watch for the rest of my life, I'd choose the poker scene over the confession/kiss scene. It was so damn hot I'm surprised my TV didn't melt.

May 3rd 2007 edited

If I had to choose one or the other to watch for the rest of my life, I'd choose the poker scene over the confession/kiss scene.

Ditto. That scene is burned into my brain: The way that Pam cocks her head, Jim squints, she smiles so big when she's won, the way they leave open the possibility that Jim let her win . . . one of the great scenes in television history, and almost totally unlike any other I've ever seen on the small screen.

Nov 24th 2007

I, for one, find the wording of Pam's reaction very insightful. Yes, she stated that he had misinterpreted their friendship, implying that she didn't have the same feelings, but I think the fact that she said "I can't" speaks volumes. If she truly felt nothing for him, she could have easily straightened him out with a simple "I don't feel the same way." But the fact that she used the words "I can't" showed that she very well could have had feelings in return, but she was in a committed relationship and couldn't just abandon it at a moment's notice.

That being said, I think that after Jim walked off, brushing the lone tear from his cheek, he went straight for his car and sat in it for a few minutes, bemoaning his rejection and maybe shedding a few more tears (that's certainly what I would have done if I were in his position!). During his contemplation, I like to think that he made the same realization that I did regarding the wording of Pam's answer, and decided that he had to make one last attempt to sway her heart. At this time, he looked for her in the warehouse, and when he couldn't find her, decided he would look in the office upstairs. I don't think he was going up there to pack up his things; like others said, even if he had definitely decided to transfer (which I personally don't think he did until after the final rejection that was shown in the S3 premiere), he wouldn't have left immediately. I still am set on the fact that he went upstairs to look for Pam.

As for Pam, I believe she went inside after a minute of standing in the parking lot, either to find something to distract her or even to find Roy and hopefully be comforted in the fact that she made the right decision (which, as we all know, she didn't, but that's besides the point). After she could accomplish neither, she decided she needed to get away and go call her mom, who would make her feel better and hopefully provide some solid wisdom.

And, as they say, the rest is history...

Sep 30th 2016

Remember when Toosie used to resurrect threads like this and people would get annoyed?

Also, my last comment in this thread is from MORE THAN NINE YEARS AGO.

Sep 30th 2016

Yes, we are all middle aged now instead of young. Do you think this place will still be here when we are actually old?

Sep 30th 2016

Part of me kind of hopes not.

Sep 30th 2016

Do you think this place will still be here when we are actually old?

Heeeeyyyyy

Oct 1st 2016

Part of me kind of hopes not.

Same.

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