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Sep 17th 2006

I feel like I love this show so much that sometimes I don't want it to go on. I really feel like it is so good that it has no where to go but down. In the back of my mind I didn't want it to win the emmy because that means people will start watching and then they would feel pressure to "tone it down." I'm afraid of Jim and Pam becoming Ross and Rachael for the next 10 years. I'm afraid it won't be as good. I'm kind of scared of Thursday...anyone else?

Sep 17th 2006

Not so much scared as I just can't wait! I know what you mean. I do not think this show will be Friends-like. The writers are too smart and this show is what it is. I do feel that this show can only go on for a few more seasons. How long could an office documentary go on?
Thursday is going to be so great, don't even worry!

Sep 17th 2006

I'm with you on this one, flonkkerton! I am still unbelievably excited for Thursday; I'm more worried about later on in the season. The introduction of new characters scares me, and I have this nagging fear that the show is going to keep getting more and more over-the-top. Take S2, for example: The Dundies, Booze Cruise and Casino Night were all BIG episodes with a lot going on and interesting new locations. They worked for me because, obviously, the writing and acting is top notch, but also because the season opener, the winter climax and the finale should be BIG episodes. This being said, I found Dwight's Speech to be unexpectedly and needlessly over-the-top. I love this show so much it hurts to be critical, but what I'm trying to say is that I hope they stick the basics in S3. I hope they keep the episode ideas simple and INSIDE the office. (Except for special occasions!)

Sep 17th 2006

It's the anticipation of something you love returning just when you need it, mixed with the fear that it will let you down somehow or not be quite as good. I think we've all been burned by shows in the past that have gone out on a high one season, then the next season it's as if the show we knew and loved was taken over by space aliens and written by zombies.

But enough about Yes, Dear, this is a message board for The Office ;-p

Honestly, I think it will be fine. It'll be interesting to see what all happens (is Jim in Scranton or Stamford? Is Pam married? Is Ryan still the temp? Does Creed still steal now that he has the mini-fridge?).

Have faith, folks. It hasn't become Joanie Loves Chachi....yet.

Sep 17th 2006

I'm so glad someone else mentioned the new characters. I think you need to bring in new characters to shake a show up when it's lagging. I know The Office does things different than other shows, but it's a great ensemble cast that we are still really getting to know. Why couldn't they develop Creed or Toby or Meredith more before bringing in more confusion? Oh please tell me they won't screw this up and this won't be a permanent thing!

Other than that, I'm not too worried. Pursegirl -- I agree with you on the Friends thing. I think the "Ross and Rachel" tag is something that has been stuck on Pam and Jim by the media and not a true reflection of the characters or the brilliance of the writers. But if I ever hear Jim scream "We were on a break!" I'm going to find out which writer wrote that line and I'm going to hunt them down with a potato gun.

Sep 17th 2006

Have faith, folks. It hasn't become Joanie Loves Chachi....yet.

Hey! I used to love "Joanie Loves Chachi." Tuesday nights, 8:30. I wanted to be Joanie. My viewing habits have changed somewhat since then. And I finally took down the Scott Baio posters.

Sep 17th 2006

First off, Sharky, they were on a break, and it was Rachel's idea.

Second, why does everyone have to criticize Joanie Loves Chachi? those two were about true love, but the world couldn't handle that I guess.

And fourth, I'm too excited to be scared.

Think after me: as good as I expect S3 to be, it will be even better.

(I'm apparently over-tired. Don't mind me.)

Sep 17th 2006 edited

At first I didn't like the idea of new characters but I'm on board with it now because it is true to real life. People change jobs and companies re-org all the time so it makes sense that it would happen at Dunder-Mifflin. And while part of me wants to know more about the secondary characters, part of reason they are so interesting is because of the mystery behind them.

One thing that has me slightly worried about next season is the time change. I hope that moving to a more family-friendly time slot doesn't cause the show to lose a little bit of its' edge. I don't worry about the writers being more conservative, I worry about the censors at NBC forcing cuts.

I do feel that this show can only go on for a few more seasons. How long could an office documentary go on?

I totally agree, at some point they will have to show the documentary or switch formats because it wouldn't make sense for this mystery company/person to shoot film for years and not broadcast anything. They need to get paid.

I'm thinking the show has another two really good years in it. Hopefully it won't be one of those shows that hangs on past its prime and becomes irrelevant.

Sep 17th 2006 edited

I'm thinking the show has another two really good years in it. Hopefully it won't be one of those shows that hangs on past its prime and becomes irrelevant.

That might be inevitably so, but it is real hard for me to even think about. I cringed just reading about our show coming to an end.

Sep 17th 2006

Don't get me wrong, I never want the show to end. But at the same time I think the format of the show and the overall premise wouldn't really work past a 4th or 5th season.

And to use a metaphor since we are in the season, I wouldn't want to see the show go out like Brett Favre, throwing interceptions for one of the worst teams in the league. So, catch-22.

Sep 17th 2006

I know you don't want the show to end either JLJ. Some things are inevitable, and our favorite sitcom is no exception. It's just something I don't like to think about. Everytime it is mentioned by a poster, I cringe and just don't feel right about it. I thought that I'd mention it because I'm sure others probably feel the same. I didn't take it wrong. I know you're just being honest with us and your comments are well-read and appreciated.

Sep 18th 2006

Hopefully it won't be one of those shows that hangs on past its prime and becomes irrelevant.

Alias, anyone??

Sep 18th 2006

Mixed Berries, no kidding! Even though it'd been coming for awhile, I totally lost interest in "Alias" this last, and mercifully final, season. My friends and I just stopped watching it at all. Until the finale, which we watched for old times' sake and which I hardly remember how it ended...Disappointing. So, yes, please don't let "The Office" go down that road! I have to say, I'm a little worried about S3, but not really. I have faith that our writers can pull anything off!

Sep 18th 2006 edited

Second, why does everyone have to criticize Joanie Loves Chachi? those two were about true love, but the world couldn't handle that I guess.

I wasn't making, fun, Brian. Unfortunately for me, I was totally serious. You are right, too - they were before their time, championing true love even before it was fashionable to do so. Even though I was only like 10 years old when the show was on, I thought that Chachi and I could have beautiful little Chachi babies together, and I'd even let them wear little rolled-up bandanas around their thighs, just so they could look like their dad. I remember being on a Girl Scout trip in Toronto, and it happened to be on a Tuesday and Wednesday night, and all I could think was, "I hope we're back in the hotel room by 8:30 so I can watch 'Joanie Loves Chachi'."

Perhaps, as Michael would say, TMI...

Sep 18th 2006

New characters are vital. There is always a risk that the change will be for the worse, but they can work out, even if it is a main character (think MAS*H or Cheers).

New characters bring different personalities and fresh plotlines. Never changing out characters will make the show stale. It's already unbelievable that there are 4 (FOUR) romances going on in the show right now.

For realism, Ryan needs to be the first one to leave -- he's the temp, after all. B.J. is a great writer, though, so it's not like he would be leaving the show. Having Michael interview for a new temp to replace Ryan would be a hilarious episode in itself.

Sep 18th 2006

Ryan needs to be the first one to leave

No! Can't lose B.J. I'm hoping for an expanded Ryan presence (though with all the new cast members...) But yeah, he can't stay a temp forever. What would make Ryan stay on? I dunno...B.J. should be able to figure something out. Maybe he's hired at Vance? Offered a full-time position at DM and has to stay to pay the $600 a credit tuition he's racking up? Actually truly falls for Kelly and can't stand the thought of a workday without hearing her lovely voice?

Sep 18th 2006 edited

Thanks for the support....I'm feeling better. Trembling barely noticeable. Jenna said in her blog that this season is the best yet. If we can't believe Jenna, then...well, the world is just over.

Sep 18th 2006

JLJ>One thing that has me slightly worried about next season is the time change. I hope that moving to a more family-friendly time slot doesn't cause the show to lose a little bit of its' edge. I don't worry about the writers being more conservative, I worry about the censors at NBC forcing cuts.

I know. I mean, even at 9:30, they couldn't say boner or clitoris. I don't want the show to be dumbed down. Like how Mitch Hurwitz refused to change AD. I'd rather Office be cancelled than change to suckitude.

also, from the two Vance Refridgeration guys. "ASS ASS ASS ASS ASS ASS ASS."

they really sucked balls. I'm glad they didn't make it onto the show. Ever.

Sep 18th 2006 edited

Flonkkerton<Thanks for the support....I'm feeling better. Trembling barely noticeable. Jenna said in her blog that this season is the best yet. If we can't believe Jenna, then...well, the world is just over.

What is she supposed to say?

"This season, I gotta tell you....Not that great. Might as well not watch."

Sep 18th 2006

Mixed Berries -- Why must you bring up the bitterness that is Alias? I loved that show, I miss that show, but what the hell? Vaughn isn't Vaughn and then he's dead and then he's not? Syndey's mother goes all Rimaldi crazy and kicks the crap of her daughter? Don't get me started....

And while I don't want to think about "The End End" for this show [I am scared of change!!!!!!], I think for the most part, it has a good basis to survive. Obviously, there is a bit of a problem with this whole "documentary" crew that may need to be handled depending on how long the show runs. That being said, Cheers ran for years and years and all it was was a bunch of people hanging out at a bar. Everyone will always hang out at bars and everyone will always have jobs so the material from that standpoint is endless.

Sep 18th 2006

I've already accepted the fact that this show has already changed, particularly from S1 to S2, and the writers admit as much. But it was a successful change. Michael became more likable, and the scope of the show more broadened with the development of secondary characters. Personally, I liked the dull, darker atmosphere of S1, but the "optimism" of S2 works too.

So in short, I have faith in the writers. Seriously, this show has a ridiculous wealth of great writers, many of whom also act. Great writing will sustain the show.

Sep 18th 2006

Even though I was only like 10 years old when the show was on, I thought that Chachi and I could have beautiful little Chachi babies together, and I'd even let them wear little rolled-up bandanas around their thighs, just so they could look like their dad.

Don't go there, Teapot.

Sep 18th 2006

I know. I mean, even at 9:30, they couldn't say boner or clitoris.

What do you mean? It comes in loud and clear on my set.

Sep 19th 2006 edited

I had a REALLY bad dream last night (actually like 2 hours ago). It was thursday night and the premier came on. For some reason I wasn't at home and I was watching it with a bunch of othe people. The first thing that came on was the opening credits and it was a totally different song and there were like half a dozen new people that I didn't know who they were and I don't remember seeing all of the other characters! Then the first part of the episode was actually the camera guy (behind the camera) telling his wife that he was leaving to go shoot more of the documentary. Then I woke up. At least it can't be that bad on thursday!
At least when I fell back asleep I dreamt that I was in Grey's Anatomy and I think I was George's girlfriend-so that made up for the bad Office dream!


Denise

Sep 19th 2006 edited

ddker, it was only a dream. It was only a dream. Think happy thoughts.

Actually I'm wondering myself if they will change the opening because last season they used all of the film clips from season one in the opener. This year, I suppose they will use clips from season two. Even if they do that, we will know all of the characters. I doubt they will change the familiar theme music though.

We have been looking forward to Thursday since last Spring, and our anticipated theories have kept us going. Now that it's finally here, we're a little skeptical about entering the uncharted territory.

Sep 19th 2006

Now that it's finally here, we're a little skeptical about entering the uncharted territory.

Yep, Plaid. That is exactly right. You've captured the feelings of, well, at least me. But I think others feel the same way.

Sep 19th 2006

Plaid -- On one of the DVD commentaries, they were talking about the opening and someone asked Greg Daniels if they were going to change it for this year. His reaction was "No...maybe...yes." So I don't even think he knows.

Sep 19th 2006

I'm sure the opening will be different so they can get in the new "full time" cast members that they didn't have in season one and half way through season 2. So this way we'll get to see the likes of Angela, Oscar, Meredith and Kevin in the opening credits as well!


Denise

Sep 19th 2006

Yep, I am pretty excited. I am betting that there will be a new opening. It'll be interesting to see how they squeeze everyone into that short little song.

Sep 19th 2006

I can't wait for S3 to start. I'm excited for the new cast member especially Ed Helms. I love the stuff he did on the Daily Show.

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