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Feb 19th 2006 edited
  • Season 2 : Episode 15
  • First aired on February 2, 2006
  • Written by B.J. Novak
  • Directed by Dennie Gordon
  • Northern Attack Recap

Remember on Lost, when they met the Others?

Feb 20th 2006

This, by far, has to be my favorite episode. It has everyone, and everthing. Comedy, drama, fake snow, and pizza.

Feb 20th 2006

Is this the one where Pam cries?

That's tough to watch (so sad)...

Feb 21st 2006

I love how Michael hides while Jan gives the warehouse guys the reality check about forming the union. Michael wants so desperately to be liked, it's by turns hilarious and heart-breaking.

Good for Jim! It's great to see him challenge Pam. Can't always have smooth sailing--that's not real life. It's nice that her dreams matter enough to him for him to rock the boat.

Feb 21st 2006

What I was thinking throughout this whole episode:

Somebody please save Darryl before he goes insane.

Feb 24th 2006

Near the beginning of this episode, when Michael gathers all the men to a meeting of their own, I love how Creed whips his office chair across the room. Man, that guy can move. I didn't really notice this on the first viewing but the more I watched it, the funnier it became. Check it out.

Mar 13th 2006

I recently saw this episode again, and I think there's something interesting about the JAM fight scene.

When Pam says "Do you have something to say?", it's a very loaded question. I don't think she's talking about graphic design anymore. She wants him to say, "Roy's wrong for you. I would support you and your dreams." When that's not what he says, she gets infuriated because he's criticizing her for not taking a chance, when at the same time he won't take a chance (by telling her how she feels).

Mar 13th 2006

I just want to say that the scene where Pam breaks down is the finest the show has ever done, in my opinion. B.J. Novak knows what he's doing.

Mar 13th 2006

When Pam says "Do you have something to say?", it's a very loaded question. I don't think she's talking about graphic design anymore. She wants him to say, "Roy's wrong for you. I would support you and your dreams." When that's not what he says, she gets infuriated because he's criticizing her for not taking a chance, when at the same time he won't take a chance (by telling her how she feels).

Yes. I noticed this too. Ever since "The Secret" you can tell she's been overly aware of Jim--she's been the one we see taking long looks at Jim instead of the other way around. Though they've always been eager enough to talk to each other, the way she jumped out of her seat to talk to Jim, completely disregarding the discusion in the conference room, is evidence of this too.

Apr 6th 2006

Love your observation larrymcg. I rewatched this episode tonight and forgot all about the awesome ending scene where Michael is saying something about how you need sexual tension to keep things exciting and then the camera pans right over to Jim who watches Pam out of the corner of his eye and then when he looks away, Pam looks at him.

This show is so fantastic! I am constantly amazed that it manages to be gut bustingly funny while simultaneously being adorably romantic and dramatic at times.

Apr 6th 2006

I have to admit, I watched this episode the first time around and loved the warehouse stuff. But the subtle building up to the confrontation between Jim and Pam was so good. If this doesn't get an Emmy nomination or two for writing/directing and JAM, I'll boycott the festivities.

The whole confrontation where Pam asks Jim if he has something to say is true to life, as well. It's really hard for two people like that to be open with their feelings, and you could really see the disappointment in Pam's face even as she got angry with Jim.

May 3rd 2006

I like how when the warehouse staff is getting all amped about forming a union, and they have an intense "are you with us or against us?" moment with Michael, Creed is in the background reading a newspaper.

If there's anyone in the office who cares less about Dunder-Mifflin than Ryan, it's gotta be Creed.

Jul 27th 2006 edited

I am pissed (can I say that here?). "The Office" was pre-empted again here by "Carolina Traveler." I wrote an e-mail to our NBC affiliate:

"Could you please stop pre-empting "The Office" in favor of episodes of "Carolina Traveler"? This is the second time it's happened this summer. At the very least, show "The Office" at another time - even 3 am would be fine, since many people have DVRs and can record it regardless of when it's on.

You're doing a disservice to "The Office," which is a young, off-the-beaten-path type of show that could use affiliate support. By not airing the repeats, you're denying potential viewers the opportunity to discover this gem.

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Michelle"

Even if you don't live here in Charlotte, please feel free to drop an e-mail to the folks at our NBC station and ask them to stop doing this. If you want, you can even tell them how much you hate "Carolina Traveler" (I didn't do this, only because I thought it detracted from my plea, and I didn't want to offend anyone over there...then they definitely wouldn't air "The Office," just to spite me, the woman who bad-mouths "Carolina Traveler"). You could even slip something in about how "The Office" is so popular among that coveted 18 to 34-year-old demographic and that we supposedly have lots of disposable income, which is a huge boon for their advertisers. I would love to hear that they were bombarded with messages from "Office" lovers who were irate about the programming choices. Thanks for your support ;-)

Jul 27th 2006 edited

What is Carolina Traveler? Is it as awful as it sounds? My heart goes out to you, LT! It would severely piss me off too. Happy to support ya!

Edit: Complaint sent!

Jul 27th 2006

That sucks hard, Loaded Teapot.

Great episode, one really cool thing I hadn't noticed was during Pam's early talking head she says, "I guess the person I have the most in common with is...(pause)" and while Pam is still on the screen there is a voiceover of Roy saying "Jim...Halpert" which leads into the Roy/Jim discussion. Just a brilliant piece of editing and another example of the nuances that make this show the best ever.

And no matter how many times I see it, I always laugh out loud at Kelly's second base conversation with Jan and her wink at the camera. Even Angela was laughing.

Jul 27th 2006

Yeah, the "person I have the most in common with" moment is another example of what sets this show apart from the typical crap. I can't help but think that moment won't sit well with Roy when they see the documentary (I'm guessing it will be in there) ;-p

Our cable went out tonight from seven until about 9:30, so I missed the rerun. Was it "The Dundies"? (that's the episode description in our local newspaper)

Jul 27th 2006 edited

I missed the rerun. Was it "The Dundies"?

THPJ: The rerun broadcast tonight was the topic of this thread. The guides/papers have been continually wrong, but the OT calendar is always updated & correct.

I saw a lot of stuff I had missed before...Creed's chair ride across the room, Phyllis's zinger to Jan (ok I caught it the first time but had forgotten it) and I somehow had completely missed Snow Angel at the end.

Jul 27th 2006

Great episode, one really cool thing I hadn't noticed was during Pam's early talking head she says, "I guess the person I have the most in common with is...(pause)" and while Pam is still on the screen there is a voiceover of Roy saying "Jim...Halpert" which leads into the Roy/Jim discussion. Just a brilliant piece of editing and another example of the nuances that make this show the best ever.

Agreed. Another good editing job happens later, bridging Stanley's "run out the clock" line with Jan's discussion of sports metaphors.

Jul 28th 2006 edited

Thanks, PurseGirl. A show of solidarity can only help the cause, and I appreciate your e-mail :-)

P.S. Yes, "Carolina Traveler" is as bad as it sounds. I have nothing against people eating cafeteria-style food or plowing fields...I just don't want to watch either one on TV.

Jul 28th 2006 edited

I have nothing against people eating cafeteria-style food or plowing fields...I just don't want to watch either one on TV.

Ha! Don't blame ya, LT. We've got a show like that here in CA and believe me, if they stuck it in during Office Hours I'd be emailing too.

The form doesn't show up on my browser, but I'll switch to amother and give 'em hell.

Jul 28th 2006

"Carolina Traveler" sounds more like something that the godawful PBS local affiliates might force on us in exchange for such great programming as "Lawerence Welk", "The Woodwright's Shop", and "Victory Garden".

I was being heavily sarcastic in that last sentence...but I make no apologies for it.

The reason I brought up which episode was aired this week was more out of bewilderment that they'd be showing "The Dundies" so soon after it aired (well, right before the last few episodes, but in Office-drought summertime it sure seemed like not that long ago). Because that's when I finally got to tape it and have it on my collection. Either way, my power went out for a few hours that night so it don't matter

Jul 29th 2006 edited

check out my little Youtube clip, I titled it Micheal Destroys The Warehouse, . I made it to send the link to a friend of mine who had never watched the show and who is still on dial up, anyway I put it on youtube and pointed her to it, then allofa sudden I checked it the other day and it had 485 views! It's from the Boys and Girls episode which is why I'm posting this here. Thanks :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOuaq1YAa9g

Oct 28th 2006

Anyone know if the Roy and Jim fistfight was a deleted scene they chose not to put on the DVDs, or was the idea cut in the writing room? David Denman mentioned in his GMMR interview that this scene was pretty intense and not at all funny, so that's why it isn't in the episode, and he makes it sound like it was filmed and then cut.

hmm..

Oct 28th 2006

TWSS, I didn't even know there was ever an idea for a scene like that...weird! I'd love to see it sometime, but I'm actually glad they cut it...I was digging the idea that Roy didn't even consider Jim a threat, but apparently Jim had the power to change all their lives with one simple declaration. :)

I think a physical confrontation between Roy and Jim would be exciting, but later...after Roy finds out that Jim is the reason Pam broke off the wedding.

Oct 28th 2006

I agree a physical confrontation might be exciting but I'm glad they dropped it. Although it may be exciting, it would almost preclude anything more ever developing between Jim and Pam. IMO.

Feb 26th 2007

I think a physical confrontation between Roy and Jim would be exciting, but later...after Roy finds out that Jim is the reason Pam broke off the wedding.

I don't know, Emmyjean. Do you really think the writers would go there?

Feb 26th 2007

Sounds pretty far fetched to me.

Emmyjean really wants to see a Jim/Roy confrontation. I picture her watching UFC matches to pass the time during the March reruns.

Feb 26th 2007

I picture her watching UFC matches to pass the time during the March reruns.

Probably on the TV screen in the dashboard of her SUV while she drives 58 mph in a school zone while talking on her cell phone.

Mar 10th 2008

I was watching this episode again tonight, and there are so many dramatic and heartbreaking moments, but one I'd forgotten about was when Jan told Pam about the internship, and listening to Pam list excuses for why she couldn't do it. It wasn't the biggest moment of the show by a long shot, but still so sad.

Mar 10th 2008

Wow, only one page of comments on this episode, huh? I agree it was heartbreaking. I love how Jim shows his dislike for Roy by rolling his eyes when they are in the warehouse and Roy mentions not liking taking Pam out to restaurants. I bet you Jim was thinking "What an asshole. If I had Pam, I would take her to restaurants everyday (or wherever she wants to go)."

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