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Mar 29th 2011

Roy was turning into a decent guy, and then they set him back to being...not that. Why? They could have skipped the blow-up and the attack and just gone right to the diner scene. I'm sure they could have filled the space with other wacky hijinks.

Mar 29th 2011

Why not just have him do a couple more jerky scenes like his "your art is the prettiest art..." and let Pam make the decision that he really hadn't changed that much and that there were good reasons besides Jim to call off her wedding? Like she says in "Beach Games"?

Mar 29th 2011

Because nothing says good storytelling like the imminent threat of domestic violence.

Mar 29th 2011

I think we were supposed to view Pam as being "strong" by walking out on violent Roy. They could have gotten that point across without the implied abuse, though. Just having her break up because he was a jerk in general would have made her look just as good.

Mar 29th 2011

I think we were supposed to view Pam as being "strong" by walking out on violent Roy.

And that is my biggest problem with it. For me it came across that Roy was abusive lots of times, not just at the bar, making Pam getting back together with him a really weak move. Her dumping him because he's an insensitive jerk=Pam growing. Her dumping him because she remembered that he had abused her in the past=sad and pathetic.

Mar 29th 2011 edited

And what kills me is they were perfectly well set up for the former and still went with the latter. It feeds my suspicion of outside interference by the network. I guess I didn't want to feel like the writers would sell us out like that. They totally would.

Mar 29th 2011

And what kills me is they were perfectly well set up for the former

I know, right? Even up to the point just before he threw the glass into the mirror they could have pulled it off. Having him laughingly dismiss her feelings for Jim with "Hey baby, no big deal. Just don't let it happen again." would have been a better way for her to realize her mistake. I can't blame the network for this one. I think the writers waited too long to bring Roy back and then realized they had to get rid of him fast as the end of the season was approaching.

Mar 29th 2011

I have nothing to add to this discussion because you guys have said it all already.

Mar 29th 2011

Probably for the fifth or sixth time. I like when it comes up again, though. Guess that's why I brought it up.

Mar 29th 2011

Thanks for bringing it up, Bri. I know I'm repeating myself here, but I still enjoy discussing it. It's certainly more interesting than discussing Hamnard's love for the ages. Or whether Angela is an uptight Christian chick or someone who likes to get naked in the back seat of a car waiting for Dwight.

Mar 29th 2011

I like when it comes up again, though. Guess that's why I brought it up.

No, no, I was saying that I agreed with all the points you guys made and there was nothing more to add. Not that it was bad to bring it up. It was nice to read some discussion on the show again.

Mar 29th 2011

No sweat, I got you the first time. I actually had tired of the discussion myself at some point. But it's weird to say that somehow I've reverted back to how I felt maybe four years ago. I really love(d) this show. I forgot what that felt like.

Mar 29th 2011

The only thing really left to discuss is the incompetent vs. evil debate. Did they intend all along to follow the route they did (evil) or did they write S3 in chunks with only a start (Jim in Stamford, Pam single) and a finish (Jim and Pam dating) and then filled in as they went along (incompetent)? My vote is incompetent.

Mar 29th 2011

Mine too. I wonder if they didn't know how great a job they'd done to that point. Also, once they got past "Casino Night", they were treading new ground. Everything so far had been mapped out by Gervais, with a bit of embellishment and Americanization. But when Tim and Dawn kissed, it was done. When Jim and Pam kissed, they were just getting going.

Mar 29th 2011

I wonder if they didn't know how great a job they'd done to that point.

I remember reading that Greg Daniels was angry with NBC for it's Jim and Pam-heavy S3 promos as if he didn't think their story should be so prominent, but on the other hand they did close S2 with the kiss so it couldn't have been a complete surprise. Of course they may think that they did a fine job of storytelling given that the vast majority of fans probably had no problem with how the season played out. It was really only a subset of the hardcore fans that felt they went off the rails.

Mar 29th 2011

Makes me want to punch everyone at OfficeTally who failed to agree with me.

Mar 29th 2011

Why stop at the ones who don't agree with you?

Mar 29th 2011

Given that "Garage Sale" was Office Tally's highest rated episode in the show's history, punching everyone seems reasonable.

Mar 29th 2011

Given that "Garage Sale" was Office Tally's highest rated episode in the show's history, punching everyone seems reasonable.

I don't think the people that post on Office Tally these days would've enjoyed Season 2.

Mar 29th 2011

I don't think the people that post on Office Tally these days would've enjoyed Season 2.

What was there to watch? They didn't even have Andy and Erin back then.

Mar 29th 2011

Given that "Garage Sale" was Office Tally's highest rated episode in the show's history, punching everyone seems reasonable.

I couldn't find find ratings before season 4, but since "Garage Sale" got a 9.32/10 rating, yeah, I wouldn't mind punching everyone over there.

Mar 29th 2011

There's this:

[from tanster: the polls i ran for seasons 2-3 (officetally started in the middle of season 2) used a different polling system, but if i had to make an educated guess, season 2's 'casino night' is still the highest rated episode of the series. 'garage sale' would then be number 2.]

Mar 29th 2011

Really? #2? I will punch them so hard that their grandpa will feel it two generations back.

Mar 29th 2011 edited

I would hope that if all the seasons were compared simultaneously that "The Christening" would be the hands down winner.

Mar 29th 2011

I predict a 9.31 for the first Will Ferrell episode.

Mar 29th 2011

I don't know. I saw the preview. It screams 9.33.

Mar 30th 2011

[from tanster: the polls i ran for seasons 2-3 (officetally started in the middle of season 2) used a different polling system, but if i had to make an educated guess, season 2's 'casino night' is still the highest rated episode of the series. 'garage sale' would then be number 2.]

Seriously, folks. Are we the only intelligent Office fans left?

Mar 30th 2011

Some of us are.

Mar 30th 2011

Snap, yo!

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