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3.18 The Negotiation
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Apr 5th 2007 edited

Forgot to mention my favorite throwaway moment: When Jim pretends to be Darryl asking for a raise, he calls Michael "Mike", just like Darryl always does.

That scene was also a good callback to the Halloween episode with the Michael/Jim role playing.

Apr 5th 2007

OK, so I LOVED this episode! I must say that Jim crushed mine and Pammy's heart during the breakroom scene. I know he has a right to be upset but Ouch! Loved all the story lines. Oh and I loved how Kevin had Jim's back by pointing out that Roy was there the second time! My fiancee missed the episode so I get to watch it again with him in half an hour..woot woot!

Apr 5th 2007

Wow, that was so good! Best of season three yet, in my opinion.

I loved the hero/superhero thing, especially since I had just watched Diversity Day about an hour before this episode :) All my favorite characters were really on tonight. Great use of Creed, Ryan/Kelly, and Toby. I loved that Darryl was still coming up with fake sayings for Micheal. The Dwangela and Jim's reaction to it was amazing. Dwight and his weapons! Micheal and Jan! Wow, I am so happy with this episode :)

I even liked the Jim/Karen, Jim/Pam, Pam/Roy storyline. Jim had to be mad at Pam, because this season has consistently kept him in denial. Even though it broke my heart, I think it had to be done. And I do think Pam and Roy needed a really good talk. I think she needed to admit to herself and to Roy that Jim was part of the reason she left, but only part of it. He needed to know that they had their own problems, too. I'm glad they had real closure. I also liked that Karen only showed up twice. Was that mean? I don't care, I loved all the attention on the ensemble cast, who I'd much rather see than Karen. I've missed them. This was more like the season two episodes I love!

Apr 5th 2007 edited

My two cats are named Bono and Kenobi, and both sort of had references in tonight's episode! OK, so maybe that's stretching it a little, but I was kind of psyched to realize that. I'm such a nerd...

Apr 5th 2007

I like the way they handled the Pam/Roy hug--Roy initiates it, and Pam is uncomfortable with it and starts to pull away early.

Apr 5th 2007

There are certain things a boss does not share with his employees. His salary, that would depress them. --Michael Scott

Oh my that episode was so funny. I don't even know where to start so I'm just going to say that that episode was well worth the wait.

Apr 5th 2007

Someone mentioned "Jim's wig"...I have to say, I posted my happy thoughts over tonight's episode earlier in the evening but was just getting back on here to state that the only bad thing about the ep was that Jim's hair looked...well, just so...contrived. It was like cartoonish Jim hair - it was way too fixed and perfect looking. Glad it wasn't just me. What is the round world is THAT about??? Blech! If he really did want to shave it for some other project, why, oh why did Greg Daniels ever agree to that? The Office comes first! We cannot have an otherwise perfect Jam kiss at the end of the season with Pam running her fingers through that catastrophe!

I have given this way too much thought. Time for bed.

Apr 5th 2007

Jim's hair looked to me like he'd just rolled out of bed. Other than that, I thought this was a fantastic episode. The handling of the Jim-Karen-Pam-Roy storyline just felt so much more . . . organic than usual of late.

Apr 5th 2007

I know a lot of people seem to be hating on Pam right now, but honestly I am way more disgusted with Jim in this episode. I thought he was being great with the whole trying to re-pay Dwight thing, until that damn break room scene. He was unnecessarily harsh, in my opinion. Pam was trying to reach out and apologize (a weak one, but still, an apology) and he couldn't even look her in the eye. Blech. Reminded me of Phyllis' Wedding and his hostile "Here's a non-hypothetical" comment.

And Karen? Boy, the crazy just seems to appear more and more with each episode. Her comment about him selling more paper so that they can go on a trip? Wow. High-Maitenance, thy name is Filipelli.

But other than that, fantastic episode. I was laughing through the whole thing, and my personal favorite line of the whole episode:

"Make it happ'n, cap'n."

Apr 5th 2007

I'm guessing Krasinski got a haircut for the George Clooney football movie he's been doing, they should have just had him get a haircut on the show as well, that would have been better than a weird wig. I also thought he looked really tired in this episode - pale with big bags under his eyes. That's probably from going back and forth between the movie set and the Office set, but it added a nice touch to the episode, the Roy encounter was pretty traumatic and it makes sense that he still would have been stressed about it a couple days later and had some sleepless nights and more talks with Karen.

Some other thoughts:
* Anyone catch that Michael was wearing a ladies suit before it was revealed? I kept thinking it looked weird, a little too shiny, the cut and the fit was off, but as a guy who only wears heterosexual clothes I didn't fully grasp it was a woman's suit until Pam said it was. And how about this comment: "I would not buy woman's clothes, I would not make that mistake again."
* We speculate so much about the character's backstories since they don't give us much, but we learned that Dwight has worked there for 8 years and Michael 14. Doesn't Michael mention how long he's worked at DM in the pilot? Does the time line match? My DVDs are loaned out so I can't check.
* Did security guard Tate from Drug Testing find a different job? The guard with Roy when he went to get his check was a different guy. Minor complaint, but I doubt he would have been allowed back in the building after getting fired for assaulting a co-worker, they would have mailed him his last check.
* I also thought Roy apologizing to Jim was out-of-character, I think he would have stayed mad at Jim forever. I guess they were trying to humanize him a little before kicking him out the door. But it was in character for him to think Jim might have been gay.

Apr 5th 2007

So wait--what does the office know about Jim and Pam now? Kevin had the "how does it feel" comment, so they know something happened. Since Pam telling Roy about the kiss is what made him snap, would that have gotten out?

Apr 5th 2007

I think Jim's hostile comments to Pam in the breakroom about her eventually getting back with Roy stem directly from last season. I mean, here is her soulmate/best friend telling her, "I'm in love with you" and still she goes back to Roy - who clearly NEVER understood her or valued her the way Jim did (does? hopefully). He's basically saying, "I'm not gonna give you my heart again because I'm afraid you'll throw it away for Roy...AGAIN" but in a waaaay more passive-aggressive way.

I'm liking the subtle chemistry changes they're making in the Jim/Karen relationship. It's becoming more and more obvious they they would be good friends but that as a couple, it's just not working out.

Apr 5th 2007

So wait--what does the office know about Jim and Pam now?

I figured that the rest of the office still may not know the specifics of Casino Night, but put two and two together and figured something must have happened sometime between Jim and Pam and that's why Roy went off.

Also noticed Jim give Pam a very quick look when Roy yelled "Hey Halpert!" He knew exactly why Roy was coming after him.

Apr 5th 2007

The group I was with thought the guy with Roy may have been a parole officer who wanted him to apologize. It was confusing, but I had forgotten about it.

Apr 5th 2007 edited

I don't think that was building security with Roy. There may have been a patch visible at one point, but I don't remember it.

Yeah, mailing the check would've made more sense. But less convenient for the narrative, so catch-22.

Apr 5th 2007

I don't think that was building security with Roy. There may have been a patch visible at one point, but I don't remember it.

Pretty sure it was building security, I remember wondering if it was a warehouse guy we hadn't seen before so I paid close attention and there was some kind of security badge on his jacket.

Yeah, mailing the check would've made more sense. But less convenient for the narrative, so catch-22.

I realize it was done to help the story along and it didn't really bother me, I just notice stuff like that because I'm weird that way.

Apr 5th 2007

Hey, Jim and Dwight really are kinda even. Word got out about a clandestine kiss in the office and almost got Jim hurt; now Jim will keep quiet about another clandestine kiss in the office for Dwight's sake.

(Though I can't imagine him not having a bit of fun with it at some point.)

Apr 5th 2007

Hopefully it was Tate's day off then; he's cool.

Apr 5th 2007

While I agree with earlier comments about Pam getting more and more pathetic, I still find her a likable character. Jim, on the other hand, with his bitter comments toward and about Pam, is dangerously close to jerk-hood. I know that the writers can't give us Jim & Pam getting together right away, but what I'm starting to fear is that they are pulling the two of them so far apart that when they do finally get together it will seem way too contrived. Kind of like what went wrong with Ross & Rachel on Friends.

I also think Roy's apology was out of character. That guy gets away with way too much.

Overall though, loved the episode. Definitely will be watching it over and over until next week.

Bippity-boppity, gimme the zoppity. Classic.

Apr 5th 2007 edited

I think I have mixed feelings about this episode. Toby had the best talking head of the episode, describing the court case he was undoubtedly going to have to testify at. Kelly and Ryan were pretty good (I loved BJ cracking up at the thought of Kelly with milkshake spilled all over her) as was Darryl. I thought Michael was just annoying with his negotiation tactics. As far as Jim and Pam--I really don't see Jim and Karen breaking up any time soon. They look like they're doing ok. And Pam may be making a move soon, but I have serious doubts as to Jim's reaction. I understand why he was cold towards Pam in the breakroom, but I've realized that I'm not enjoying watching them together anymore. You know how when in real life you have a crush on someone, and eventually one day you get a slightly sick feeling because you know they don't feel the same way, yet you lie to yourself and hope it isn't true? That's how I'm starting to feel about Jim and Pam. Like this just isn't...good anymore.

Edited to add: I have two papers to write tonight, work tomorrow, and then I'm going out to see Blades of Glory tomorrow night so I won't get to see what y'all have to say about all this. I'm kinda sad about it.

Apr 5th 2007

I've realized that I'm not enjoying watching them together anymore. You know how when in real life you have a crush on someone, and eventually one day you get a slightly sick feeling because you know they don't feel the same way, yet you lie to yourself and hope it isn't true? That's how I'm starting to feel about Jim and Pam. Like this just isn't...good anymore.

I feel that way too, and I have noted others on this board comment about the how they feel it has gotten contrived, or concerned that they won't give a hoot when Jim/Pam finally do get together. We had sort of an office party at a friends tonight, pizza, beer and about 8 of us from work since we are all off tomorrow. Plus, we finished watching up the Sabres game we Tivo-ed (?) during the office. Go Sabres!

Let me preface I doubt many of our friends were enamoured with the Jim/Pam storyline as I was to begin with, however, the discussion of tonights episode quickly turned to their disgust with the whole Jim/Pam storyline. They feel it really takes away from the show in general, and to quote craig "worst thing they could have done to the show". I don't know if they felt this way about it prior to the season, but it never has come up in our numerous discussion of the show in the past. It makes me wonder dragging out this storyline hurting the show as much as it would be if they just had them get together on much lighter terms. It may not have been as "dramatic", but they could have gotten back to the Jim/Pam prank team, back to the laughs and comedic awkwardness.

As for tonights episode, I loved it. Ryan and Kelly's conversations were hilarious. I think we've all been to a restaurant or public place where you were pained just having to listen to such a conversation. Toby questing whether he was being punished! Angela being turned on by tales of Dwight's heroics. Dwight talking head of real heros. Darryl, as much as he is funny he can easily step over the line to being a jerk, but I just can help loving when he has screen time.

Apr 5th 2007

Bippity boppity, great episodoppoity.

CZJ, I agree that I'm not having much fun watching Jim-Pam anymore. The magic is fading, or just gone, depending how you look at it. Pam is still tied up in her low self-esteem and indecision, while Jim just seems to seethe with disgust/frustration. I really think that his opinion of Pam has really plummeted over the season, and especially after Pam and Roy hooked back up. This breakroom scene confirms it. Not that I think anything Jim did was unreasonable, because I still understand his remarks and why he would feel that way, but the whole Jam dynamic has slowly left a sour taste in my mouth. Just go back to S1 and S2 episodes and you'll see what I mean.

Other than that, the episode was one of the most consistently funny I've seen all season. Angela was riotously funny - I was just waiting for her to drag Dwight by his tie into the closet, but I guess making out in the darkly lit, rarely visited corner of the office was good too. Ryan/Kelly is the greatest love-hate couple ever, the women's suit was one of the more inspired bits I've seen yet, and there was lots of Toby and Darryl, which I loved.

Some lines of dialog I wished I heard, though: - Jan telling Michael that she wants him to get a raise: who wouldn't want their man to make more money? - And this:

Roy: I don't get you, Pam. Pam: I know. I don't get me either, sometimes.

Also, any thoughts on Michael's salary before the raise? 55k? How much do paper-co branch managers make?

Apr 5th 2007

Also, my favorite line of the episode:

So look out, Dunder-Mifflin! I mean, look out in a fun way, not like...I'm gonna hurt you.

I never thought I'd be so happy to see Andy again.

Apr 5th 2007

I tried not to skim the comments but I am pretty tired. Am I the only one who noticed that Ryan and Kelly were totally making out in their corner behind the Toby talking head about Michael punishing him by sending Ryan back there to sit (I don't think Michael did that on purpose, but that's for a different episode thread)? That makes two secret kisses on one episode, and neither the kiss we all wanted to see.

Karen's comment about Jim earning money for a trip didn't seem to reflect on them as a couple so much as reflect on how he still must be finding time to fool around instead of work. She's much more focused than he is. That could be a reason they ultimately break up or it could be irrelevant. I have to sleep on it and see what I come up with.

I think Angela wanted to hear the story twice as much as a normal person because it involved Dwight AND Roy. Haven't we mused that she's sort of into the beefiness of Roy? Here were two men of action battling. That must have vamped its excitement factor for her.

I loved Jan, especially her 15 percent exasperation and her "Michael!" at the end when he mentioned sex with her as a perk. I have to decide which part about that comment bothered her more: it being said on camera or it being phrased that way.

Poor Andy! Maybe Kevin and Angela got to see that this time.

Apr 6th 2007

Well, I didn't get off of work until 11:30, so I just finished watching the tape: YAY! It feels good to laugh again. :)

If Jim were any more bitter, he would have the beer face. Wow. Strangely, I'd rather have him angry at Pam than nothing at all.

I don't know if it's been mentioned, but Creed was awesome. When Michael says he didn't loan him 40 dollars, and he comes back with, "In a way, you did." Also, his retelling of the fight was hilarious.

All in all, everyone was great in this one. High five!

Apr 6th 2007

as a guy who only wears heterosexual clothes

This isn't really all that relevant or anything, but what you mean is that you only wear men's clothes. The majority of transvestites are heterosexual.

Apr 6th 2007

Well, smartypants, what if your clothes are only attracted to other clothes of the same sex?

Apr 6th 2007

I'm not sure how I feel about this episode. There was very funny stuff, but the Jim/Pam thing didn't sit well with me. Also, while I enjoyed Dwight's hero speech and Daryl giving Michael some new black slang, were those clever references back to season 2 or lazy ways to get laughs? Toby, as always, was great.

Apr 6th 2007

Is Jim REALLY wearing a wig? Have we confirmed this somewhere? I actually thought Jim looked adorable last night. But maybe it's just because I've missed seeing him over the past 6 weeks.

What's Second Base?, nice mention of Michael's quote about how depressing it would be for a boss to reveal his salary to his employees.

Anyone catch that Michael was wearing a ladies suit before it was revealed?

Like you, JLJ, I noticed something was wrong but couldn't pinpoint the problem. I just noticed how saggy his butt was when he stood up and the jacket being too short.

Since Pam telling Roy about the kiss is what made him snap, would that have gotten out?

I definitely think everyone knows now. The first questions after the attempted assault would have been "WHY did Roy do that?" Jim kissed Pam. "When did THAT happen?" After Casino Night.

He's basically saying, "I'm not gonna give you my heart again because I'm afraid you'll throw it away for Roy...AGAIN" but in a waaaay more passive-aggressive way.

Nicely said, BigTunaFishing. And nice name, by the way.

Apr 6th 2007

Well, smartypants, what if your clothes are only attracted to other clothes of the same sex?

That would be called homosexuwool.

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