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Ryan Howard : It wasn't me
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Feb 20th 2006 edited

Discuss all things Ryan.

Feb 21st 2006

One thing that I've questioned is why Ryan is considered one of the five main characters. While he figured prominently in the Pilot, he hasn't really been much more prevalent than Kevin or Angela in many other episodes. The line was kind of erased when NBC decided to promote the majority of the cast to starring roles, creating a true ensemble cast, yet B.J. is still the fifth actor shown in the opening credits.

I'd like to see more of Ryan, and I'd like to see him get a full-time position at Dunder-Mifflin. Since the show works in real-time (on the calendar, not thirty episode minutes = thirty actual minutes), it would be unrealistic to have the same temp at a company for five-plus years, right?

Feb 21st 2006

I think he'll get a permanent job at some time, but it doesn't make sense with plotlines for it to be in that office with that job, nor in the next two years, as he's still in business school. I think he'll get a full-time job, but somewhere outside of DM Scranton and very close to the last episode of the series.

Just my thoughts.

Feb 21st 2006

One thing that I've questioned is why Ryan is considered one of the five main characters.

I agree. I love BJ Novak and think he's a brilliant writer, but I don't see why Ryan would be considered a main character over someone like Angela, Oscar, Phyllis, Kevin, etc. Is it because the temp in the UK series had a bigger role? I only managed to watch 3 episodes of the UK Office -- doesn't even come CLOSE to the brilliance of the US version, IMHO! -- but it did seem like their temp had a more substantial part.

Feb 21st 2006

Somehow I don't think that Ryan wants a permanent job at the office.

Feb 21st 2006

I've never seen him relax during his work hours at Dunder Miff.

Apr 4th 2006

I checked out Ryan's iTunes playlist. The explanations he gives for his picks are hysterical. At first, they're mildly funny, but then the final sentence of a couple just got me going. ("And now I'm a temp at a paper company."). I've been sort of take-it-or-leave-it about Ryan, but I love his list :-)

Apr 5th 2006

The temp in the UK Office didn't have much bigger role than Ryan, and then left at the end of the 1st season. From interviews I've read, BJ was the first person cast. Maybe they planned on giving him more to do, but just haven't got around to it yet. BJ himself has said he doesn't usually write stuff for Ryan because he pictures everything from Ryan's POV.

May 10th 2006

So I may be way off the mark here, but I think Greg Daniels might have a man-crush on B.J. In one of the commentaries Mindy Kalig said Greg raved about B.J during her interview, he was the first one cast as mentioned above, there is the whole Michael/Ryan plotline (art imitating life?), and he gets more recognition than the general consensus says he deserves.

May 10th 2006 edited

...and he gets more recognition than the general consensus says he deserves.

Whoa! I don't think he gets more than he deserves... He certainly gets more than the others (perhaps because of said man-crush), but he deserves every bit of it!

Some of my fave lines are Ryan's. Like when he made Dwight explain what "the hard way" was. After the very long and complicated explanation, he just says "yeah, lets do it that way." Brilliant.

My absolute fave Ryan line, from The Secret is when Dwight asks him about heading up spring cleaning:

Dwight: ...Do you think you can handle it?
Ryan: Yeah, I think I can handle it.
Dwight: Do you think, or do you know?
Ryan: I think...

The way he delivers that line has me on the floor every time!

May 10th 2006

Sorry Mixed Berries. I think my phrasing was a little strong. I love Ryan as well, and I agree that his delivery is top-notch. I guess by "deserves" I meant in relation to the rest of the cast.

And I don't think I fully described my "man-crush" theory. I think that like Michael with Ryan, Greg sees so much potential in B.J. and wants to help him flush it out. I think this may be the reason he puts so much emphasis on him.

May 10th 2006

I think we need to remember that BJ is a writer, actor and PRODUCER on this show. He probably plays a bigger role that we realize.

Jun 16th 2006

Any ideas on how/when to see B.J.'s standup? Either in person or on TV/Web. There's a much-too-short clip on Youtube.

Jun 16th 2006

Hmm, I'm not sure if it's the same clip that's on Youtube, but I did see a clip of his stand-up on comedy central's website. Not sure if it's still up though. And it was also really short.

Jul 7th 2006 edited

Has anybody noticed that Ryan seems to be on to Jam? There are three examples that I can think of:

  1. The Dundies: I can't quote the exact words, but when Darrell and Roy decide to leave for Poor Richards, Pam gets up to leave with them. After Pam leaves Ryan says, "Are you still staying?" to Jim. Jim says, "Yeah, gotta eat somewhere." (Why would he even think that Jim was going to leave just because Pam did?)

  2. In Dwight's Speech When Ryan and Kelly were helping Pam stuff envelopes with her wedding invitations, Ryan was surprised that Pam was inviting Jim. (Everyone knows that Jim and Pam are great friends so it should be a given that Jim would be invited to the wedding unless...)

  3. In the same scene when Ryan made the comment to the effect that he didn't ever want to be married, Pam said, "You should be more sensitive. It's obvious she likes you and comments like that..." and then Ryan says, "I know what I said." I think Ryan's comment had a two-fold meaning. He was probably thinking that Pam should speak for herself, because it's obvious at least to Ryan that Jim likes Pam, yet Pam's wedding stuff is all up in Jim's face and Pam should be more sensitive to that fact. Also inviting Jim to the wedding could only be hurtful for Jim to attend because it's "obvious" at least to Ryan that Jim likes her.

Jul 7th 2006

Plaid, before reading your post I made a post in the Casino Night thread that supports your theory. Check it out and see if you agree.

Jul 7th 2006

I agree, Plaid, that Ryan knows. I just assumed his comments at the Dundies were more along the lines of, "Hey, Michael is a moron, are you staying?" but your theory is better. And I like the other two points you made, too. Ryan is the cock in the henhouse ;-) He knows the secret, too - not just Michael.

Jul 7th 2006

Jenna Loves Josh

I found your comment. I'm posting it here so others won't have to search for it.

Jenna Loves Josh said:

As many times as I've watched this episode I still noticed something new last night. Early in the casino scenes they show Roy and Pam together happy after Pam wins and they pan to Jim watching them from a distance with one of his sad looks. He's at a table with Ryan and Ryan gives him a look and says something. Between the look and trying to read lips it seems as though Ryan is saying something like "Are you ever going to do anything about this?" So did Ryan give Jim a little push towards finally telling Pam his true feelings? That would be interesting if so because I never thought Ryan to be aware of the Jim/Pam situation, or if he was aware, to care that much.

Jul 7th 2006

I love Ryan! He's probaly one of my favourite characters on the show. Plus, he's georgues! The Fire was the first ep. I saw and since then I have been singing 'Ryan Started The Fire'. I really think he needs more lines, and Kevin too. Then I'll be happy

Jul 7th 2006

In the "Fire," Ryan said something to the effect that he didn't want to be known as the something guy in the office. He doesn't really want to be an integral member of the staff. He didn't want to go on the Booze Cruise, and he didn't dress up for Halloween. Ryan keeps a low key because he chooses to. I think we still have a lot to learn about Ryan. I love Ryan's big eyes. Especially his speechless expression when Angela said, "No cookie."

Jul 8th 2006

I'm hoping that for season three they will have an episode that revolves a little more around Ryan.

As a matter of fact, they should have episodes that revolve a little bit more heavily around a lot of secondary cast members, explaining how they ended up at Dunder Mifflin and all that jazz.

Oct 1st 2006

Why is Ryan with Kelly? I mean, she's force feeding him fries, telling him he loves ketchup, pressuring him into having kids and getting married and living together and being together for the rest of their lives....It's grating.

Oct 1st 2006

Why is Ryan with Kelly? I mean, she's force feeding him fries, telling him he loves ketchup, pressuring him into having kids and getting married and living together and being together for the rest of their lives....It's grating.

True. But then again, Ryan must like a little junk in the...I mean, Kelly's really cool.

Oct 24th 2006

I've always kind of disliked Ryan (speaking strictly of his character, I think B.J. Novak does an excellent job portraying him), so I enjoyed seeing him get a little comeuppance in Initiation. I'm not surprised he's doing poorly as a salesman, he doesn't seem to have the personality for it. I do think he's intelligent and probably would be successful at a number of other positions. I wonder if they're setting him up to be demoted or to have to switch jobs?

Oct 24th 2006

I think the thing about Ryan is that he is portrayed in a very 'human' light, much like the characters of Jim and Pam and Toby and Stan, and some the other Mifflinites are. Dwight and Michael are the 'over the toppers' that add a different element to the show, but Ryan is very...normal, I guess. And he's funny as a normal person, with his normal reactions to some abnormal activities going on in and around the office. I enjoy his cynicism and skepticism, as I find it very real and refreshing. But as I mentioned elsewhere on this site, I loved seeing Ryan come out of his shell a little bit in the last two episodes, culminating with his egg throwing incident.

But like most of you, I also don't know why BJ gets his name in the credits and others don't.

Oct 24th 2006

Probably because, as said above: he is either writer, director and/or producer of most of the shows. He's behind the scenes more than we know.

Jan 11th 2007

(sort of inspired by the Dwanglea thread). I kind of want Ryan and Kelly to split. I want Kelly to find a good guy, a guy that really likes her. And Ryan can be kind of a prick, it's about time he shed a "single tear" or 2. I just want him to knowwhat he's missing should kelly dump him. But I don't think Kelly would make that call. I don't know, I kind of like Dwangela, especially after seeing the slightly softer side of Dwight comforting Pam last week a part of roots for him

Jan 11th 2007

Several people have said that Ryan is a prick. I don't see it. I think he's basically a nice guy. He's not Jim-nice, but I could see being buddies with him. I think a lot of his harshness comes from wanting to be a D-M employee but not wanting to want to be a D-M employee. Same with Kelly. He's in love with Kelly but he doesn't want to be in love with Kelly. I think for every example of dickery there's an example of nicery.

Though, I agree. It would be interesting to show him what he'd be missing should Kelly dump him. We got a little taste of that in a deleted scene a few weeks ago. I want more.

Jan 11th 2007 edited

I think for every example of dickery there's an example of nicery.

I like that outlook

Jan 11th 2007

I refuse to see reason on this subject. I do not like Ryan one little bit.

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