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Jim Halpert : I could work here for years
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Jan 14th 2010 edited

An even darker undercurrent of the new season is the idea that Jim has no life beyond the office, and probably never will.

This is from a blog post that came out in December that a lot of folks seem to buy. I found the premise to be a bit misguided. It comes from the fact that in the wedding episode they didn't seem to have many friends, just coworkers and family. The author failed to understand how TV shows work. In real life your coworkers would be peripheral to your wedding true, but without them it would have been like a home video.

If anything, that's part of what made the early seasons so good, that vein of despair.

Yeah, a significant portion of the fan base seem to believe that Jim has some alternate career just waiting for him like sportswriter or musician. Nope, he's a salesman and maybe he could sell something else like muffins or mittens, but the job isn't going to be that different.

Jan 14th 2010

Yeah, a significant portion of the fan base seem to believe that Jim has some alternate career just waiting for him like sportswriter or musician. Nope, he's a salesman and maybe he could sell something else like muffins or mittens, but the job isn't going to be that different.

True, and I feel that makes it more "real" than a lot of shows and movies out there. In a perfect world we all have had dreams or goals that we wanted to chase. The reality is, though, that those are dreams and in order to make a living and raise a family we have to make concessions and not chase all of those dreams. My dream was to be a baseball player but that didn't and will never happen!

Jim made the conscious decision long ago that his "dream" of being with Pam was the most important thing in his life. As you said, he is a salesman now and with a family on the way he has an obligation to provide for them.

I don't see his new found seriousness for his job (which really began near the end of Season 4 when he knew he was going to propose) at all unbelievable and only slightly dark. I find it completely believable. Though I do think they are trying a bit too hard to make him struggle with the middle management role and it leads to some pretty outlandish decision making -- Scott's Tots episode as the biggest example.

Jan 14th 2010

They could show Jim being passionate about something else and have it bleed into working hours...he could, I don't know...be training for a 10K, or coaching a little league team, or writing a novel, or being a fan of some team. It could interfere with work a little bit, and he'd struggle to keep everyone at work with getting annoyed at his out-of-work passion. This is real, it happens to people all the time. At the end of the episode, even though everyone was annoyed, they could rally and show some support...go to his race, or the little league game, or whatever.

Jan 14th 2010

Though I do think they are trying a bit too hard to make him struggle with the middle management role and it leads to some pretty outlandish decision making -- Scott's Tots episode as the biggest example.

Yeah, they keep making it seem like there is some huge difference in becoming the manager that he's just not quite capable of.

They could show Jim being passionate about something else and have it bleed into working hours...he could, I don't know...be training for a 10K, or coaching a little league team, or writing a novel, or being a fan of some team.

They used to have little hints of this sort of thing, but since late S4 the idea that they have lives outside of the job has been neglected. What happened to Jim's poker buddies or Pam's art classes? Do they ever have a vacation?

Jan 14th 2010

They could show Jim being passionate about something else and have it bleed into working hours...he could, I don't know...be training for a 10K, or coaching a little league team, or writing a novel, or being a fan of some team. It could interfere with work a little bit, and he'd struggle to keep everyone at work with getting annoyed at his out-of-work passion. This is real, it happens to people all the time. At the end of the episode, even though everyone was annoyed, they could rally and show some support...go to his race, or the little league game, or whatever.

I can see this happening with his impending fatherhood. His child is going to be something he'll be very passionate about. I assume Pam will be on maternity leave for awhile, so she won't be around to share his joy. Sure, people at the office might show a bit of interest, but becoming a parent is a really big deal, and it's kinda hard to balance the longing to be with your new baby with the mundane things that go on at work.

Jan 14th 2010 edited

I can see this happening with his impending fatherhood

I think this is where they're going with his arc. Right now he's adjusting to managing, and yes, they've overdone it a bit with his bumbling, but he's beginning to have a few successes as well (Ryan comes to mind, and yes, silly blogger, that was a success). But I think Jim Halpert is going to be an enthusiastic, excellent dad.

Totally agree with your assessment, nc981.

The person who wrote that article doesn't know the show that well, but I can see how someone writing that kind of uninformed opinion might be especially stung by the reality of mediocrity.

Jan 14th 2010

Putting Ryan in the closet was the best thing evah. What a douchetard. I'm hoping the Dwight/Ryan alliance breathes some life in the Jim character for me.

Here's the level of analysis I have regarding Jim. Right now Jim bores me and this makes me sad.

Jan 14th 2010

It could interfere with work a little bit, and he'd struggle to keep everyone at work with getting annoyed at his out-of-work passion. This is real, it happens to people all the time.

I can relate, because of Northern Attack.

Jan 14th 2010

I'm hoping the Dwight/Ryan alliance breathes some life in the Jim character for me.

Him retaliating would be far more interesting than watching him stammer in front of the office.

Jan 14th 2010

I feel like Jim not knowing/undermining everything that Dwight comes up with brings him into their crazy world. Jim is supposed to be the sane voice. It used to be that Dwight could do whatever the writers wanted as long as Jim and or Pam were there to debunk his scheme in 2.3 seconds flat. The scene with "don't bring that purple belt to work" comes to mind because without that interaction, there is just a crazy guy (plus Michael) ranting about his fighting skills and going to a dojo. But with that scene (and others like Jim and Pam pulling out the West Side Story snaps) there is acknowledgement of the insanity.

Watching people who are watching others be crazy is funny, but watching people who are crazy is just painful.

Jan 14th 2010

TV.com picked Jim and Pam as the two most annoying characters on TV

This has got to be at least partially marketing, right? They push the SHIT out of Jim & Pam on NBC, because other than Conan, they're about the only good thing they've got going on that network, or at least they were. Well, at least they still have Conan.

Jan 14th 2010

Love the name change, D@F.

Jan 14th 2010

From the Drug Testing thread:

"Marijuana is a memory loss drug...." That turn around never fails to make me giggle.

This is one of those moments that I was talking about. I know the whole setting Toby up with drugs in that one episode was not favorably received around here, but Drug Testing was gold because of the mocking.

Jan 15th 2010

So, I got to thinking about this (which is how we do it here in hicksville) and wondered if there is any age categorization that can be done regarding the people who are bored with Jim as a character.

Are younger viewers more likely to find him boring/depressing because they still hope their lives will involve world changing events, daily exciting careers, etc?

Are older viewers less likely to feel this way because they're aware of people in mundane jobs who are actually very happy and see their families as their main priorities?

Or is this an entirely false generalization (or as we say in the hicksville, do I need some hip boots)?

Jan 19th 2010

I don't find Jim boring because of the mundane situation, The Office for me has always been about finding the fun in the most mundane situations. Actually, now him being trapped in Dunder Mifflin makes him more nobel to me because he's doing what he's got to for the fam. I don't expect him to be the pranking Jim of old, because of his position. Actually, I don't expect anything.

Watching people who are watching others be crazy is funny, but watching people who are crazy is just painful.

This is true.

Jan 19th 2010

Actually, now him being trapped in Dunder Mifflin makes him more nobel to me because he's doing what he's got to for the fam. I don't expect him to be the pranking Jim of old, because of his position.

I like that. I will take it as a consolation for Jim not being as fun/funny lately.

Jan 19th 2010

Actually, I don't expect anything.

I think this is the key.

Jul 11th 2010

After about a year of dating, The Office star Krasinski, 30, proposed to British actress Blunt, 27, with a 3-carat Edwardian diamond and platinum ring from Neil Lane, worth $100,000.

Emphasis mine.

Jul 11th 2010

He's overpaid. No, seriously.

I guess he was probably underpaid for the first three seasons. But wow.

Jul 12th 2010

Since he's probably making $250,000 per episode the ring was just chump change.

Jul 12th 2010

I say good for John for not going for the 1.5 million dollar ring. Yeah sure, he could afford it, but what would be the point? I mean, seriously ladies. If you had a million dollar ring, would you wear it? I mean yeah, you'd wear it to movie premieres and to the Oscars and Emmy's maybe, but you'd have to take it off when you're making John breakfast or doing John's dishes or scrubbing John's toilet. Chances are good you'd put it down somewhere and then one of your children would eat it or flush it down the toilet you just cleaned. But if it's only $100,000, you can just go and get another one, no problem. Also, if you get divorced, who cares about the ring?

John Krasinski. Pretty smart fella.

Jul 12th 2010

you'd have to take it off when you're making John breakfast or doing John's dishes or scrubbing John's toilet.

I'm sure Emily Blunt is looking forward to this.

Jul 12th 2010

I'm pretty sure someone else is doing the housework.

Jul 12th 2010

I'm guessing they will have a more traditional marriage where Emily quits her job to stay home as a domestic engineer and they have 3-4 kids and the marriage lasts for 55 years.

Sep 21st 2010

So, I was thinking about the whole Jim as a manager plot line that was both awful and forgotten. How could it have been better? Well, instead of turing Jim into a bumbling fool, they could have had him do what he does best, be the likable guy that excels at jobs even if he hates them. What if Jim had been an awesome manager and been liked by everyone and still been friends with everyone- something that the great Michael Scott had been trying to do for years. This could have been humorous and interesting and maybe could have lasted a little longer. At least that's what my brain said when I was trying to fall asleep.

Sep 21st 2010 edited

What if Jim had been an awesome manager and been liked by everyone and still been friends with everyone- something that the great Michael Scott had been trying to do for years.

Given the route they went with the JAM relationship (boring), it kind of makes me wonder why they didn't go this route. It certainly would have made more sense, as has been discussed, because Jim-the-bumbling-idiot route they went didn't strike home for a lot of NA viewers anyway.

Sep 21st 2010

Yeah, there could have been some awesome tension between Michael and Jim. Or at least Michael would think there was tension.

Sep 21st 2010

The only problem with competent Jim is, that except for fighting with Michael, there is no conflict to drive the plot. Someone has to be the antagonist and up until last year it was Michael. Given the economic times it would be hard to shift the perspective of the show from "my boss is an idiot who gets everything wrong" to "all my employees are incompetent and need to be watched like small children". Without some to rail against (Michael, Corporate, customers) the show would be forced to fall back the personal relationships in the office which I feel it has done way too much of as it is.

Sep 21st 2010

no conflict to drive the plot

This is what I wanted to say but didn't have the words. Instead I said "boring". My response was good, but DC's was bigger.

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