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Oct 18th 2007

More things I thought of that I liked: Michael thinking that the meetings at his second job are pointless and since I am a JAMmer, I really loved how Jim and Pam were cuddled when Dwight was reading them Harry Potter and how creppy was Mose staring at Pam? Oh and another callback: Stanley having a glass of wine at home...for the antioxidants, of course.

Oct 18th 2007

Also, yay for Paul Leiberstein's directorial debut.

I'm still trying to figure out showing Michael & Jan's dangling feet. What was the point of that? I'm flummoxed.

Also, the scene where Jim & Pam are telling Michael they wanted to have dinner with him & Jan, that was during my DVR crisis so I didn't quite grasp what was going on. Did they know he would be busy, so they asked him to seem friendly, but knowing he'd say no? If so, how did they know he was going to be busy? Were they doing it to make fun of him? If so, why and what was the joke? That scene fell flat for me.

Oct 18th 2007

Question: When they are in the conference room for the powerpoint meeting and Jim raises his hand, what does he ask Michael? I can't make it out and my closed captioning isn't working.

Oct 18th 2007

Does anyone else think of the Joshua Kadison song, "Jessie," when they hear Mose? That was the name of their cat, short for Moses of course. Am I the only one?

Oct 18th 2007

Did they know he would be busy, so they asked him to seem friendly, but knowing he'd say no?

That's exaclty why they asked. Michael said something about having a thing to go to at night. Jim and Pam took this opportunity to say that this night is the only night they could do dinner with Michael and Jan.

Oct 18th 2007 edited

More favorite moments:

  • Andy's wide stance at the reception desk
  • Garbage gets recycled
  • "I get excited every time I see that little dude walk through the door"
  • Michael sings that Soul Asylum song on the train
Oct 18th 2007 edited

Ok, this just made me laugh and I didn't catch it the first time. When they are having the whoever/whomever discussion and Oscar says he doesn't know when to use which one, Michael looks at the camera and says "Not a native speaker". Ha!

I love how much Michael hates Toby for no reason. Why don't you take a letter opener and stick it in your skull.

Oct 18th 2007

This ep was definitely my favorite so far this season.

I can't believe no one has mentioned the oats!! "You can make bread with them...oatmeal..whatever you want. They're your oats." (it was something like that) I was hysterical!!

This was definitely a darker episode, and I appreciated the depth so much. A little depressing there towards the end until the stairwell scene and the beautiful, beautiful kiss. Passion. That's what I like to hear. Love. Also what I like to hear.

I'm so glad Michael was so loveable during this ep. I felt for him the whole time and just wanted to give him a hug, especially after Ryan threatened to fire him in front of the entire office after that fabulous conference room scene. I'm glad they did the quickness of that scene because the conference room stuff is seeming a little...used. But that just made it new.

Loved loved Daryl and Kelly. Hope to see that keep going this season.

I'm glad that Jan came around in the end as well, I really like her and Michael together, disfunction and all. It was nice to hear her acknowledge Michael's good traits.

All in all, a wonderful, wonderful episode. Jim and Pam cuddling was priceless.

Oct 18th 2007 edited

Before I read anybody's comments about this episode, I have to say what I thought of it. Every other time I come here thinking, "what a great episode!" everyone points out all kinds of flaws and things they didn't like and it sort of colors my opinion. That being said, this may be my second or third favorite episode of all time. There were just so many great moments...which I feel best expressed in list format:

  • Michael is a telemarketer on the side! I definitely did not see that coming. I just assumed, like everybody else, that he was going to improv class. Seeing the tables turned, and Michael being the employee was fantastic, as was his rapport with the other employees. What a stark contrast between their sincere invites to go grab a drink and the improv group who couldn't wait to get away.

  • I love Pam's intrepid reservation-making and irrigation-room choosing.

  • And just like that, Kelly and Darryl are already over (maybe).

  • Was that Garbage?? I guess he's a lot cuter coming from somebody who didn't euthanise your previous cat. I feel so conflicted rooting for Andy when Dwight is crying like a whale, though.

  • Best visual ever: Jim and Pam in their jammies, cuddled up in bed, listening to Dwight read Harry Potter aloud. And of course, Mose rocking himself like a child who's never been hugged.

  • Jim trying to comfort Dwight in the stairway was possibly the sweetest thing I've ever seen. I love seeing him talk about Pam, even if it's about the pain he went through. I'm just sorry he didn't stick around to get an arm hug from Dwight. I feel that Jim wouldn't have tried to talk to Dwight if Pam hadn't prodded him-and that irks me a little bit. But then again, nobody's perfect. He obviously needs Pam. As evidenced by that kiss.

  • Who hasn't wanted to jump a train out of town? I truly feel bad for Michael. Jan is running him into the ground. Yet, that was a pretty sweet moment between them on the train. Michael obviously needs to grow the cajones to tell Jan she has to spend her own money from now on.

Ok, that's all I got on the first round through. I'm watchin' it again...now.

Oct 18th 2007 edited

There were comments on Schrute Farms even before the episode aired - those producers really know how to mingle with reality. (Does anybody know where one can find Dwight's monster.com resume?)

Highlights I can remember off the top of my head:

  • Mose running alongside the car.
  • Pam's look to the camera when Kelly kisses Darryl.
  • When the chips are down, Jim cares about Dwight.

Other notes:

  • Apparently Angela doesn't mind having Garbage thrown at her.
  • Good to see Oscar get some screen time, even though he invariably plays the straight man.

And how did the documentary team get into the Irrigation Room before Jim and Pam?

ETA: And Jan's look to the camera in the opening. I love it when the characters appeal directly to the camera.

Oct 18th 2007

crying like a whale

this made me laugh out loud!! i've had a lot of interest in whales as of late as i've been reading Moby Dick.

Oct 18th 2007

Oh, another great quote I forgot: "I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. That includes you, Dwight." -Jim that was hilarious

Oct 18th 2007 edited

You know how we have discussed that they are poking fun at the fans this season or naysayers with the "Are you kidding me?", "Is the magic gone?", and "We should have dated a long time ago". I have one more to add: "We're talking about Jim and Pam. If they're having sex? What it looks like?"...It's like they're looking into my soul...or maybe just listening to us talk here in the forums.

Oct 18th 2007

It's like they're looking into my soul...or maybe just listening to us talke here in the forums.

potato, potahto

Oct 18th 2007

I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but I LOVED the cold open. Everyone was in stitches at my place. Jenna's expression was priceless.

Oct 18th 2007

Michael said something about having a thing to go to at night. Jim and Pam took this opportunity to say that this night is the only night they could do dinner with Michael and Jan.

But did they know that he had a "thing" before they asked the very first time? Did they know the "thing" was something he couldn't get out of? I guess what I'm getting at is did they know there was absolutely no way it would happen before they asked?

I seem to be in the vast minority with my "It was just OK" opinion. Guess I need to rewatch and see what I missed.

Oct 18th 2007

Ok, so I went back and checked AMJH. Before Jim asks Michael about dinner, Michael tells Kevin that he can not go see Scrantonicity II play tonight because he has a thing. After they hear that, that is when Pam makes Jim tell Michael about dinner. I guess they weren't absolutely sure that Michael wouldn't get out of that thing but it's Michael so they probably figured that if he could have gotten out of it, he would have so he could go to see Kev's band.

Oct 18th 2007

I loved this episode. Loved it. I have to come up with new words for how I felt about it. I lurved it. I loaved it. I luffed it. Two Fs. That's how strongly I feel about this episode. I was beginning to have misgivings about this season after two consecutive episodes that I felt were sub-par, but this one reminded me of why I love this show to death. I'm still in the glow, but I suspect that this is going to out-distance "The Return" and "The Job" for my favorite since "Casino Night" and "Conflict Resolution" dealt me a 1-2 at the end of season 2.

I'm still trying to figure out showing Michael & Jan's dangling feet. What was the point of that?

It was very pretty, didn't you think? I suspect it might be a little bit of an over-directed moment on Lieberstein's directorial debut, but I'll give my turgid interpretation nonetheless:

Michael and Jan, in that moment, were very childlike, at least to me. They sat on that train, Michael trying to run away like a little boy. Jan sat with him, and like children they pledged friends forever. Blood buddies. You know. To see their feet dangling, swinging like kids', was very poignant for me. Jan's feet seemed so small, and the whole action seemed so genuine, something totally unconscious from two very image-conscious people.

Also, we were removed from their faces. In the context of a documentary, that may not make much sense, but in the context of a dramatic television show, I think it's a great choice. Nothing that Carrell and Hardin could have done could have been anywhere near as good as their swinging, childlike feet as we imagined how they looked when being so honest with one another. I don't know. Maybe I'm just grasping at straws, but I have to say that that was maybe my favorite moment in an episode full of moments that I loved.

Once again, I thought Dwight made this episode. If Season 2 was Jim's, and Season 3 was Pam's (as badly as that went), I think this one has to be Dwight's. It only makes sense. Just as long as Season 5 isn't Ryan's.

Oh yeah, and someone asked a few pages back: I'm recapping this one. I can't promise I'll be able to turn it in on Saturday like last week, because the Ducks are on TV, and so are the Sox. But look for it Sunday or Monday, circumstances permitting.

Oct 18th 2007

Good to see Oscar get some screen time, even though he invariably plays the straight man.

Ironically.

This episode still hasn't "happened" for me. I think because it has such a slow start (up until they follow Michael to his second job it's pretty dull) I end up mentally checking out before things pick up. There are moments that I recognize as moments as I watch, but I still haven't felt anything for the episode.

Oct 18th 2007

Michael and Jan, in that moment, were very childlike, at least to me. They sat on that train, Michael trying to run away like a little boy. Jan sat with him, and like children they pledged friends forever. Blood buddies. You know. To see their feet dangling, swinging like kids', was very poignant for me. Jan's feet seemed so small, and the whole action seemed so genuine, something totally unconscious from two very image-conscious people.

Ooh, good explanation! I loved the hanging feet, too. There already is a lengthy deleted scene up and they show more of the dangling feet scene.

Once again, I thought Dwight made this episode. If Season 2 was Jim's, and Season 3 was Pam's (as badly as that went), I think this one has to be Dwight's. It only makes sense. Just as long as Season 5 isn't Ryan's.

I read in one of the writer's interview's (can't remember who's) that this in fact is going to be Dwight's season.

Oct 18th 2007

Good to see Oscar get some screen time, even though he invariably plays the straight man.

I thought it was really nice (would sweet be the right word there?) of him to help Michael out. That was one of my favorite things about the ep.

Oct 18th 2007 edited

Michael and Jan, in that moment, were very childlike, at least to me.

I was just going to say the same thing. I thought it was a pretty shot, and I think it was as if the camera crew were trying to be respectful of Michael and Jan in their private moment. I had a feeling you would like this one, DftF. It's not like I laughed my ass off through the whole episode, but I feel all warm and bubbly inside, and I really haven't felt that way since Casino Night. In fact, as I was rewatching, it occurred to me that as Jim walks back up from the stairway, there's a moment where he visibly becomes determined to walk in and plant one on Pam, stopping her mid-sentence, much like...wait for it...Casino Night. Another little thing I noticed: The Windows updater was downloading 57 updates for Powerpoint. That office is like a time warp to 1991. With Mose's outhouse...it's almost as if Pennsylvania has fallen into some hole in the space-time continuum. Maybe our time-traveling friend can confirm that.

Jan throwing the keys at Oscar is pretty dang funny.

Oct 18th 2007

Ok, one more and then that's it for me tonight. I absolutely love it when they go to Schrute Farm. Something about the natural lighting and the scenery, but it is a beautiful place. Seeing it, I think I understand Dwight a little bit.

Oct 19th 2007 edited

Okay, another favorite moment:

  • "You drive. I had too much wine." followed by Jan's look to the camera.

That appears to be Creed's real passport. (The name and birthdate match.) In which case, they forgot to blur out the passport number and CGI the issuing agency from Los Angeles to Philadelphia. (Then again, I guess, since it's a "fake" passport, why not put LA on it?)

And what is that weird glowing blue thing on Andy's desk?

ETA: Oh, and just now I noticed that when Jan threw her keys at Oscar, Kelly and Darryl are hanging out in the background by his truck!

Oct 19th 2007

The thing on Andy's desk looks like a little pretend aquarium.

Question - Are there two entrances to Dunder Mifflin? When Jim left the office to go see Dwight in the stairs he went through the main wooden door. When he came back, he came through a glass door with blinds on it.

Oct 19th 2007

Question: When they are in the conference room for the powerpoint meeting and Jim raises his hand, what does he ask Michael? I can't make it out and my closed captioning isn't working.

I think he asks, "are you a cocktail waitress?" I love that it makes Michael laugh.

Oct 19th 2007

Oh! The first deleted scene....soo good. CDs. Sweet little boy Michael. :)

Oct 19th 2007

Pam seems really excited about their relationship, but we have yet to hear if she's in love with him.

I never thought about it but I guess this is true. She's never actually said it (with the cameras present, anyway). But I take comfort in believing that she will not break Jim's heart again. There's no way the writers will do that to Jim.

THAT was the kiss that we've all been waiting for. THAT was the second, real true now-they-are-together and in love JAM kiss.

Speak for yourself. I wanted some tongue. But tongue or not, it was very nice to see a glimpse of passion.

I was feeling so terrible for him. I hope he gets mean and nasty around the office now (with Andy).

Dwight getting mean with Andy (the shunning) has been done already so I don't think that's gonna happen. Maybe Dwight will just work really hard at being awesome and Andy will dig his own hole.

Best visual ever: Jim and Pam in their jammies, cuddled up in bed, listening to Dwight read Harry Potter aloud. And of course, Mose rocking himself like a child who's never been hugged.

Maybe one of my favorite scenes ever.

I feel that Jim wouldn't have tried to talk to Dwight if Pam hadn't prodded him-and that irks me a little bit.

I disagree. I think Jim would've comforted Dwight without Pam's prodding. Jim's a sympathetic guy on his own. For instance, he started singing acapella with Andy in the car when Andy was depressed, despite how much he hates hearing Andy sing.

I have one more to add: "We're talking about Jim and Pam. If they're having sex? What it looks like?"...It's like they're looking into my soul...

I hear ya, lay-moan-yah-day.

One more thing- I've never seen The Devil Wears Prada so the cold open did nothing for me. But I guess I can imagine that it probably was funny to anyone who has seen the movie.

Oh, and Good Morning Everyone! Don't forget to take your pants off!

Oct 19th 2007

And of course, Mose rocking himself like a child who's never been hugged.

Wow, so well-put CZ-J.

I think the writers named the cat Garbage as a shout-out to gt. Crazy? Maybe. Or maybe it's brilliant.

Once again, I thought Dwight made this episode. If Season 2 was Jim's, and Season 3 was Pam's (as badly as that went), I think this one has to be Dwight's. It only makes sense. Just as long as Season 5 isn't Ryan's.

I think I read somewhere that season 18 is the guy behind the pretzel counter's.

This episode could have really gone off the rails with a gimmicky "trip to Dwight's B&B" or Michael having another breakdown, freak-out moment. Such an amazing job tying it all together and keeping those elements not only in check but using them to such touching dramatic effect.

Oh, and how sleazy is that telemarketing manager?

Oct 19th 2007

Yeah, the more I reflect on this episode, the better it gets. Just excellent all around. The dangling feet thing threw me when it happened because it did seem a bit much, but I still dug it and I like the two explanations above: being child-like and respecting privacy.
More Lieberstein!

Good to see Oscar get some screen time, even though he invariably plays the straight man.

People! Are you kidding me? Leaving that dangling there?
Sidenote: our office just got new VoIP phones. They are the same model that Dunder-Mifflin Scranton usees. That makes the nerd in me excited.

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