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Oct 19th 2007

Speak for yourself. I wanted some tongue.

And good morning to you too.

Maybe Dwight will just work really hard at being awesome and Andy will dig his own hole.

I agree. That would be the way to play it.

I hear ya, lay-moan-yah-day.

I'm sure lay and moan are part of the scene. Can't say for sure about yah or day, though.

But I guess I can imagine that it probably was funny to anyone who has seen the movie.

This is false.

Oct 19th 2007

Also, did anyone think Angela just said Andy could ask her out to dinner to spite Dwight or make him jealous? I thought that might be a possibility.
And it just broke my heart when Dwight reached over for Jim in the stairwell and Jim was gone.

Oct 19th 2007

I think Angela is sincerely flattered by Andy's wooing. It's weird. Andy is becoming kind of lovable. He's such a child. He's bad sometimes, he's sweet sometimes ("Sorry about your cat"), and he's naive and clueless ("Am I being mocked?") at other times. I really love his character and I'm really interested/excited to see where they take this Andgela/Dwight storyline.

I also wanted to mention that I kind of didn't like all the time they spent at the telemarketer office. I liked that Michael was getting positive attention and the storyline of needing a 2nd job was fine, but I didn't like spending time with all of those strangers. I think they could have made those scenes shorter and still got the message across while leaving more screentime for our own Office workers. (Did Meredith have any lines this episode?)

Oh, and thanks to whoever noticed that Jim and Pam pushed their beds together. I can't wait to watch it again to see for myself.

Oct 19th 2007

Sidenote: our office just got new VoIP phones. They are the same model that Dunder-Mifflin Scranton usees. That makes the nerd in me excited.

I'm the VoIP admin where I work so I agree about the inner geek being excited. However, being even a little bit 'geek', the whole Powerpoint thing seemed kind of far fetched to me. The Office we already know uses Excel so it's likely they would've already had PPT. And Ryan sending the program via e-mail to Michael is rediculous. Why would a company with multiple branches be sending programs for staff/mgmt to be installing themselves? I felt the same way about the whole blackberry thing last week (since I handle all of those at my job as well)

...sorry, I guess I'm more than a little geek.

Oct 19th 2007

Why would a company with multiple branches be sending programs for staff/mgmt to be installing themselves? I felt the same way about the whole blackberry thing last week (since I handle all of those at my job as well)

I agree with you here, but I think it was just the writer's way of showing that Ryan wants to shove new technology in people's faces and make them feel bad when they can't figure it out. Possibly...

Oct 19th 2007

Oh, and Good Morning Everyone! Don't forget to take your pants off!

How can a greeting like this not make you smile and make your day? Thanks, Single Tear! Good morning to you!

Oct 19th 2007

Alllllright.

Thought it was hilarious when Michael ended up with Stanley on the phone - priceless that Stanley recognized his voice right away.

Mose is the Most.

Jim needs to kiss Pam like that more often in front of us. And my heart skipped a beat when he pointedly said, "In fact, I'm in love with Italian food." Awesome. And it was nice to hear him talk about his feelings and thoughts, even past tense...so much of that was missing in Jim's character last season, he was almost an enigma. It brings us back to Season 2, and I like it. Loved that kiss. LOVED it.

Oct 19th 2007

I loved this episode. I agree with everything you said, DftF, about why you loved it. I agree with everything everybody's said, come to think of it (even that the telemarketing scenes were "too much time spent with strangers") I loved this episode so much I almost wanted to not talk about it or read NA comments or anything. I liked everybody, even Darryl, and Ryan even seemed less horrifying (but maybe only because his horrifyingness is becoming familiar).

I loved the LOVE. Jan being loyal to Michael in his hour of distress (the dangling shoes was a sweet touch, even if it was a little obvious), Jim comforting Dwight in the stairwell, Pam and Jim cuddling (priceless, priceless, what we've been waiting for forever), Jim's passionate kiss and Pam's delighted response (even more priceless, even more what we've been waiting for, Casino night fulfilled!), Angela agreeing to go out with Andy, Kelly and Darryl talking, Oscar helping Michael with his finances, the fellow telemarketers asking Michael out for drinks, Creed helping Michael with a fairly substantial amout of bankruptcy advice, Dwight being so genuinely hospitable at the farm, Dwight longing for Angela.. The love-o-meter in this episode was exploding, and yet all the scenes felt natural and funny and fresh. And there were so many little, subtle things too: Andy catching the cat with an empty paper box, Jan throwing in those little complaints about the new boobs ("don't sell your implants", "but they are kind of uncomfortable..."), Pam in a sunrise colored knit sweater (I liked it even better than the red one!), Dwight secretly keeping Angela's figurine.

I'm sad we have to go back to 30 minute episodes, but I am so grateful for what they've given us in these first four, especially 4.03 and 4.04.

Oct 19th 2007

Jan throwing in those little complaints about the new boobs ("don't sell your implants", "but they are kind of uncomfortable..."),

Upon rewatching this morning, Jan also says right after that, "my nipples are less sensitive"! You can't hear it very well because Michael is talking at the same time, but she says it. I wonder if it has affected her deleted scene from Cocktails admission?

Oct 19th 2007

i am one of those who thought the episode wasnt bad but it wasnt funny. i was reading the quotes, though, and it actually reads funnier than it seemed watching it.

Oct 19th 2007

So what happened on the episode? There was some weather here last night, and therefore, all the local news channels talked for 5 hours straight about it, pre-empting everything in sight.

Oct 19th 2007

Am I the only person who doesn't think the hour-long episodes ar better than the normal 30-min ones? I hate to say it, but the longer ones are ALWAYS stretching the limits of the plot. why would the camera crew spend the night at the B&B with JAM? Why would they follow Michael to his other job? Remember, this is still a mockumentary focused on an office setting, this is not a character study sort of documentary, and they let us know that early on. Despite all that, I loved the second part of "Money" when they get back in the office! It played just like a 30-min episode and it was great!

Oct 19th 2007 edited

Remember, this is still a mockumentary focused on an office setting, this is not a character study sort of documentary, and they let us know that early on.

How and when did they let us know that? In the confines of the show, it's not a mockumentary, is it? I always viewed it as a documentary about the office setting and the folks in that office. Otherwise, we wouldn't know about Pam and Jim, or other personal storylines, right?

Oct 19th 2007 edited

And we've been getting nothing but characters from the beginning. If spending the night at Dwight's B&B strains credibility, what did you think when they followed Pam and Kelly on a double date or followed Jim and Karen on their personal time in Manhattan or watched Michael give out Halloween candy or outed Oscar and Gil long before Gay Witch Hunt or went to Jim's barbecue or Phyllis's wedding or Poor Richard's the night Roy lost it or sat in on Michael's improv class?

Besides being the world's longest documentary about the most unlikely subject, they've clearly shown they're not constrained by the office setting or even company sanctioned events. If there's any plausibility at all, it lies in their focus on the people and the creation of some kind of holistic group character study.

Oct 19th 2007

Yeah, I redact my post: just read Brian's.

Oct 19th 2007

There was some weather here last night, and therefore, all the local news channels talked for 5 hours straight about it, pre-empting everything in sight.

you are in louisville right tiny dundie? things did look pretty bad up your way during the show. i watch the lexington affiliate and i was pretty pleased that they put all our weather updates into the commercial time last night, even though the storms were starting to come into the area. what good is safety without comedy?

Yeah, I redact my post: just read Brian's.

crap. i already read it.

Oct 19th 2007 edited

Well, that's all right, ferd. If I wasn't a raging egomaniac, I would have actually redacted it instead of just declaring it: that's not enough, is it? Go ahead, go read it again. It's good stuff.

Oct 19th 2007

Imagine if the founding fathers had decided just to line up outside Independence Hall and simply declare "Independence!" Good thing they got it in writing or we might all be speaking English today.

Oct 19th 2007

There isn't much to add on this pantless Friday morning that hasn't already been said. I am so very impressed with mixture of the dark and light humor of this episode that it ranks up there with one of the best of the series. I think Paul did a great job writing and directing. He found the "just right" moments to slip in the great Office humor while displaying the softer, human elements that seperates this show from anything else on television. The laugh out loud moments for me were Mose running along side the car and the whom debate durning the Power Point presentation. Michael telling Toby to stick the letter opener in his skull was classic. Going back to my post from Launch Party, the writers responded at the right time by showing us the side of Michael that is not obnoxious. It's just amazing how they find the right moments to slip that in (TWSS). Everything that transpired in this episode gave off that Casino Night vibe that's been missing for some time. I would have to say that the Dwight/Jim scene in the stairwell is the clip I have re-watched a few times over. Dwight smushing his face into the wall was played just so perfectly and Jim's speech seemed straight from the heart. Love the slight pause on his walk back where we get the insight of how deeply he feels for Pam. The small non-verbal moments like make this show superior to so many others. Enjoy Pantless Friday everybody, and just think, only 6 more days until the next episode.

Oct 19th 2007

you are in louisville right tiny dundie? things did look pretty bad up your way during the show. i watch the lexington affiliate and i was pretty pleased that they put all our weather updates into the commercial time last night, even though the storms were starting to come into the area. what good is safety without comedy?

Exactly. What better to take the sting off of impending doom than some Office-induced laughter?

Instead, it was literally 5 straight hours of repeating the same old garbage over and over again.

Oct 19th 2007

Good explanations on the dangling feet scene, makes sense.

A couple more nitpicks/questions:

  1. The whole thing about Michael & Jan having two cars and getting rid of them and Jan driving a Porsche and Michael riding the bus - isn't the Sebring a company car? So that shouldn't be an expense. Not to mention the Sebring can almost be considered a character. I'd hate for it not to be around anymore.

  2. Did Jim & Pam go to Dwight's on a weekday? They gave the impression they were in the office the next day with all the yawning. But they spent a lot of time at Dwight's doing stuff outside when the sun was out. I guess they could have spent all day Sunday and Sunday night there, but that doesn't make much sense, it's the kind of thing you'd usually do on a Friday and/or Saturday.

  3. I can understand the camera crew spending the night at Dwight's B&B (was Satan his co-owner?), but following Michael to his telemarketer job and spending so much time there and filming a meeting isn't as understandable. That's really stretching it in my opinion and took away some of my enjoyment of those scenes.

Oct 19th 2007

From OT:

Question: how exactly did Jim make Dwight feel better after that talk?

I’m okay that he didn’t, cause really - what can you say to somebody in that situation? And it’s probably more realistic that he didn’t find the perfect words.

But, from Jim’s perspective - did he come away from that thinking he’d helped Dwight?

I think it was clear that Dwight did feel better when he reached over to find Jim not there. I think what we were to take from that scene was that although they have their differences, in a twisted way they have a brother-like friendship. Although they are not the best of friends, Jim being Jim still has compassion and whether he acknowledges it or not, Dwight is his friend.

Oct 19th 2007

He made Dwight feel better because Jim told him that he'd been there, too, that he hated that feeling, and wished Dwight didn't have to go through with it. I think Jim had to thread a fine line in his conversation with Dwight, because if Jim mentioned Angela by name, or any specifics as to Dwight's situation, wouldn't Dwight have shut down/not been receptive to Jim?
Plus, I think Jim made clear that he cares for Dwight, even as an enemy, which would be comforting to Dwight because that's what they have been for so many years. It's familiar to Dwight and in a break-up situation, you're looking for familiarity. Dwight hanging on to Angela's cherub, for example.

Oct 19th 2007

Question: how exactly did Jim make Dwight feel better after that talk?

I'm not sure. Was he just saying "I've been there, I know how you feel"? Or was he saying "Be patient, things will work out in the end like they did with me and Pam"? Whatever it was, it worked.

I wonder if Dwight will out the past relationship with Angela to the office in one of his attempts to win her back?

Oct 19th 2007

I'm in the not-that-funny-but-still-great camp.

Will this be the end of Jim and Pam aiding Dwight? Now that he appears to be back to his old self will they still play some role in the Dwandgelangle (Dwight/Angela/Andy triangle. Too forced?)?

I can see it working either way. Either being interested bystanders just like us or clandestinely helping Dwight in his conquest.

Hmm. Now that I think more about it, I'd rather see them as just interested bystanders. Even though I love Pam and Jim's hijincks as much as anyone, if Dwight gets Angela back I'd like him to do it all by himself. Fancy New Schrute, perhaps?

Oct 19th 2007

Ultimately, I think Jim left that conversation without really knowing if he'd made Dwight feel any better, partially because he'd just been overwhelmed with a feeling about Pam, and partially because it was an extremely uncomfortable moment -- exposing yourself, completely unsure if you're saying the right thing -- with someone who, ultimately, he doesn't know very well.

Anyway, I was just going to say that that they missed an opportunity in the scene in which Mose throws manure at Dwight: Dwight says, "Put the manure down!" But "Put the poop down!" is much funnier. It really pops. When in doubt, always go for the alliteration.

Also, I think Mose's beard is fake in this one, and I'm pretty sure it was real last time we saw him.

Oct 19th 2007

AMJ, I was also pretty confused about the chronology of this episode. How bizarre to stay at the B&B on a weekday night?

Also, Schrutespace, Dwight would never say poop instead of manure. He just wouldn't!

Oct 19th 2007

Also, Schrutespace, Dwight would never say poop instead of manure.

That's true. But I think sometimes you just have to sacrifice some things to hit the funny.

Or not.

Oct 19th 2007

Again, most of my impressions of the episode have already been captured by you fine folks, but I really enjoyed this episode. I've been rather "anti-hour episodes" this year, but this was a perfect sunset to that quadlogy (?) leading into the rest of season.

Jim...oh my goodness. My heart positively tingled at him this episode.

Oct 19th 2007

Question: how exactly did Jim make Dwight feel better after that talk?

Sometimes there's a lot of comfort to be found in the fact that someone has been in your situation before and can sympathize with your plight - and has even come through on the other side relatively intact. They don't offer advice, but the whole "misery loves company" thing (even if it's someone in past misery) can help. I've felt that way. Maybe that's how Jim made him feel better.

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