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Toby Flenderson : I felt kind of weird buying that
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Sep 5th 2008

Spitzer? I hardly know her!

Sep 5th 2008

A lady never spitz.

Sep 5th 2008

A lady never spitz.

Whoops.

Oct 23rd 2008

NOW TOBY'S ABSENCE MAKES SENSE

When Paul Lieberstein effectively wrote his own character out of the show at the end of Season Four, one of those wonderfully under realized dark horse characters was lost. We don't get to see Toby as much as the others, but what we saw was sweet and kind and heartfelt, a truly sympathetic character. The abuse and injustice he would take from Michael was so sad and heartbreaking. He's the office martyr, the kid who always gets picked on for no reason, the wrongfully accused man who sits and takes the undeserved punishment silently. You feel so much emotion is in Toby, but he's just is too tired of Michael's verbal beatings and the endless tedium of office life to let any of it out.

When we said goodbye to Toby, so much potential was wasted. The one character that could use some serious development was cut out of the show with scalpel-like precision. By Season Four, the personalities and backgrounds of the secondary characters, Kelly, Phyllis, Meredith, Oscar, Kevin, Stanley, Andy, and even Creed were explored (Angela had really become a main character through her relationship with Dwight), but Toby was still relegated to the HR desk in the background and a one-line talking head every other episode. But since Amy Ryan as the slightly loopy new HR rep, Holly, has factored into the end of Season Four and Season Five as the Michael's new love interest (and as Jim observed, the female Michael) it all makes sense.

Paul Lieberstein is a genius. Paul Lieberstein, the writer, looked at the movement of the series without any regard for the ego of Paul Lieberstein, the actor. You can just see the writers sitting around brainstorming. Well, the Jan-Michael romance has pretty much run it's course, climaxing in "The Dinner Party". We're running the risk of overexposing Melora Hardin's character. We've basically exhausted our store of Jan storylines and threads. And we haven't had any new blood in the office since the start of Season Three with Andy and Karen. We've got to remove something of the old to make room for the new. I bet Paul Lieberstein spoke up and offered Toby up on the sacrificial alter.

The greatness of it is that now they've set up a great episode, Toby Returns. Just like we've not seen the last of Jan (or even Karen, methinks), the dark horse Toby will rise again. All the unrealized emotions and underlying tensions will be released in an epic fireworks display. Jan and Holly will clash in a battle of the pant suits. Karen--successful, beautiful, and in a reminiscing mood--will come back into the lives of a newly-married Mr. and Mrs. Halpert (will she be invited to the wedding?) and form yet another uncomfortable love triangle. And in the midst of it and, a suntanned and limping Toby will step back into Scranton--a new man or business as usual?

Oct 23rd 2008

Karen--successful, beautiful, and in a reminiscing mood

Which Karen is this, again? Not the horrible harridan we saw in S3 and Branch Wars!

I never liked her much. :-)

Beetjuice, you and a poster named chase that feeling should get along really well! :-)

However, I think you'll find little love for Karen among most of the NAers. For some, it was mostly because she was an obstacle for JAM. Others (like myself) detested her on her merits. She was cold, hard, demanding, ruthless, manipulative and totally without a human soul. She was also way too skinny.

Other than that she was cool.

Oct 23rd 2008

Karen--successful, beautiful, and in a reminiscing mood--will come back into the lives of a newly-married Mr. and Mrs. Halpert (will she be invited to the wedding?) and form yet another uncomfortable love triangle.

This will never happen.

Oct 23rd 2008

"Which Karen is this, again? Not the horrible harridan we saw in S3 and Branch Wars!"

I always felt Karen was an innocent bystander. She was an unfortunate victim of the the rebound. Jim left Scranton hurting, freshly rejected by Pam. Karen, unaware of their history, fell for the Halpert charm. She genuinely fell in love with him. And when Jim saw the chance to realize his dream to be with Pam, the new girl unfortunately got the short end of the stick. Karen and Jim were a great couple, but I guess ultimately not meant to be. But you could totally understand her hurt. I wouldn't call her a "horrible harridan", just a woman scorned.

Oct 23rd 2008 edited

Karen--successful, beautiful, and in a reminiscing mood--will come back into the lives of a newly-married Mr. and Mrs. Halpert (will she be invited to the wedding?) and form yet another uncomfortable love triangle.

Wow.

She genuinely fell in love with him.

I would disagree with this. At least, based on my definition of being genuinely in love.

Oct 23rd 2008

How's work, Sweetheart?

Oct 23rd 2008

"She was also way too skinny."

Did you get a look at her backside in those gray slacks when she and Jim are standing in front of Michael's desk telling him they're going to New York for the job interview? Perfectly plump, round, anything but skinny. Angela is the anorexic.

Oct 23rd 2008

Karen--successful, beautiful, and in a reminiscing mood--will come back into the lives of a newly-married Mr. and Mrs. Halpert (will she be invited to the wedding?) and form yet another uncomfortable love triangle.

This will never happen.

Ditto that my sister.

Angela is the anorexic.

Wow. She's petite. Totally different.

Oct 23rd 2008

Karen--successful, beautiful, and in a reminiscing mood--will come back into the lives of a newly-married Mr. and Mrs. Halpert (will she be invited to the wedding?) and form yet another uncomfortable love triangle.

This will never happen.

I would like to add my voice to the "Ditto" chorus. Seriously, who's the new person trying to rouse the rabble around here?

Oct 23rd 2008

How's work, Sweetheart?

You have e.

Oct 23rd 2008

You have e

Oooh, a guessing game. Okay, "e" could stand for:

Eczema
Endorphins
Excellence
Envy
Elephants
...

Oct 23rd 2008

I considered "Fat Halpert" as a screen name, but figured it was already taken. Should I have consulted BigTunaFishing first?

Oct 23rd 2008

Beetjuice, you should introduce yourself in the intro thread. You can read about us in there, too.

Oct 23rd 2008

I've already debated the Karen thing to death and I'm not going to do it again. That said, you're wrong Beetjuice.

Oct 23rd 2008

"Wow. She's petite. Totally different."

Agreed. Let's just say she could use some filling out, a la Karen.

Oct 23rd 2008

Karen could have used clothes that fit. Some of the stuff they had her in was not flattering at all. And she has no butt.

Oct 23rd 2008

I think Angela looks pretty slammin' now that she's had the baby.

Oct 23rd 2008

I think Angela looks pretty slammin' now that she's had the baby.

So do I. And I'm not slamming skinny girls because I'm "skinny" too (not really).

Oct 23rd 2008

Oooh, a guessing game. Okay, "e" could stand for:

Eczema
Endorphins
Excellence
Envy
Elephants
...

Elephantitis
Embarrassed relatives
Empirical theories
Evidence
Eggplant
...

Oct 23rd 2008

Her butt is like Steve Carell's nose: it's not for everybody.

Oct 23rd 2008

Enya.

That's all I've got.

Oct 23rd 2008

So they didn't flatter her, I'll admit that, but I'll take her wardrobe any day over some of those severe turtlenecks Angela would wear. Gotta go with Kevin: "Karen has a prettier face, but Pam has bigger boobs."

Oct 23rd 2008

Elvis.

There's another one.

Oct 23rd 2008

I considered "Fat Halpert" as a screen name, but figured it was already taken. Should I have consulted BigTunaFishing first?

No, but you should change it to Fat Halpert, because that's awesomely funny and I don't think it's been taken.

Oct 23rd 2008 edited

You have e

Oooh, a guessing game. Okay, "e" could stand for:

Endorphins

Excellence

I'm gonna go with these two. Because...I can!

And I agree - Angela's post-baby weight makes her look really beautiful.

But not as beautiful as Madge.

Oct 23rd 2008

Pam has bigger boobs.

I think you'll get some agreement on that, at least.

Oct 23rd 2008 edited

But not as beautiful as Madge.

Suck up. Yeah, I said it!

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