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Jim + Pam = Jam
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Feb 20th 2006 edited

Discuss all things Jam.

Feb 20th 2006

JAM is the best thing that has ever happened to television.

Feb 20th 2006

What does everybody think of the comparison of JAM to the Ross/Rachel relationship? As a huge fan of friends (I own all ten seasons on DVD, the trivia board game, and many more embarassing collector's items), it is my opinion that JAM not only matches the intensity of the relationship, but in many ways surpasses it. What do you all think?

Feb 20th 2006

I wasn't too big into Friends, but I like how this relationship mirrors the realities of a real life crush. Not everything has a happy ending. But being that it's a television show, we know that there has to be a happy ending.

So...paradox.

Feb 20th 2006

IMHO - no comparison. The writers made Ross' character a clown. It's hard to overcome that pet monkey weirdness....

Feb 20th 2006

I love the JAM relationship. Definitely the best and most realistic in sitcom history. I liked the Ross/Rachael thing the first couple seasons, but by 10 they had no chemistry left and were put together by default.

Feb 21st 2006

Jim and Pam's relationship seems so real. From their awkward flirting to the sideways glances; the honesty of their longing is what's really drawing in loyal viewers.

Feb 21st 2006 edited
The problem I have with Jam is, if they do get together, where can the show go after that? I feel like this relationship is the driving force of the show. On the other hand though, how long can they stretch out the Jim/Pam crush without making the viewers hate Pam for her ignorance?

I think the way that the rest of this season plays out will be crucial to the quality of the show down the road.
Feb 21st 2006

Since we know the JP Index will never be DOWN, Maybe we should have EVEN mean DOWN, UP mean EVEN, and UP (No, really this time) mean UP. =P

Feb 21st 2006 edited

The first rule of JAM is that the JPI never goes DOWN.

The second rule of JAM is that the JPI NEVER goes DOWN.

Feb 21st 2006

I think what the writers did with "Valentine's Day" was brilliant. No Jam to be found. Jim's just trying to get on with his life, and that is utterly realistic to me. How much time is he going to waste mooning over a woman who has a wedding coming up in June? It just rings true. I think things are going to get pretty grim in Jam-land before they get better--but it has to be that way for a while. Pam has to be the one to make a move. Having Jim retreat is smart. Not a lot of fun at the moment, but if and when they get together....wow! Electric.

Feb 21st 2006

I think what the writers did with "Valentine's Day" was brilliant.

I loved the script as well. Give Pam a taste of what life would be like without her "usual Jim". It makes perfect sense - Jim has given up hope that he'll ever be with Pam so his natural reaction is to distance himself emotionally from the situation. It's the only way he can deal with it and move on. Obviously, we're going to see some repercussions in terms of Pam's behavior (we're already seeing those "subtle" looks from her towards Jim)

Pam has to be the one to make a move.

I don't think she has the courage to make a move. She doesn't have enough self-confidence to make a change (which is why Jim's so frustrated with her)

Don't forget about Roy. He might make a surprising move of his own. He's not excited about getting married.

Feb 21st 2006 edited

While its certainly possible that Roy will be the one to call of the wedding, I think that in order for Pam to finally find her independence, she needs to be the one to break it off. Otherwise, theres no hope for JAM.

Feb 21st 2006 edited

Since we know the JP Index will never be DOWN, Maybe we should have EVEN mean DOWN, UP mean EVEN, and UP (No, really this time) mean UP.

Just you wait. I will have my chance one day, and then that index is going way down.

Actually, nah, you're probably right. This index is never going down. Prove me wrong, writers. The survival of the JPI depends on it. Either that, or I need to put myself into a really foul mood before watching one these things.

Feb 21st 2006

I want to be optimistic like you, James. I really, truly do. Alas, my personal JPI has seen it's fair share of "downs", so I guess I'm just jaded. Sigh.

Feb 21st 2006 edited

Yeah...of course a Jim/Pam Marriage is something we all know is probably going to happen, but only at the end of the last season. That means it joins a list that includes:

  • Ryan finding a permanent job
  • Promotion(s) for Michael/Dwight to a position outside the office
  • Michael finally having a steady relationship with Jan/Meredith/Ryan
  • Bob Vance realizing that everyone he knows is painfully aware of the company of which he is a part

Haha. :)

Feb 21st 2006

No! No series-ending cliches! (cries)

BTW, thanks for the RAM forum, James. LOL.

Feb 21st 2006

Bob Vance realizing that everyone he knows is painfully aware of the company of which he is a part

::Grin:: Bob Vance is my personal hero! Anyone who sends so much booty to their loved on on Valentine's Day (and makes sure to take full credit for it) is okay in my book!

Feb 21st 2006 edited

I think the way that the rest of this season plays out will be crucial to the quality of the show down the road.

You make a really good point there. I really want Jim and Pam together and having that happen by the season finale would give me instant gradification, but that would for sure hurt the show.

The chemistry of the show would be completely different without that 'sexual tension' that we all love. The chase/unrequited love is just way more fun to watch sometimes!

Feb 21st 2006

Not that I think that Pam is the cheating type, but maybe something will happen where Jim and Pam hook up (maybe after another night of "second drinks"?) and the tension comes from both of them trying to hide their indiscretion from the other folks in the office, and especially from Roy. I think that would be a stretch, but it's an idea. Pam never said anything to Jim about their kiss at Chili's (maybe she was so drunk she forgot about it?) but it definitely affected their relationship. I'd love to see another slip-up and watch what happens when they try to keep it a secret!

Feb 22nd 2006

I was wondering if anyone else had noticed this. It is quite interesting.

On Booze Cruise, Michael gives Jim this advice, "Never, ever, ever give up."

Then, on Boys and Girls, Jan gives this advice to Pam, "There's always a million reasons not to do something."

I think that Jim and Pam need to take a little advice from their elders.

Feb 22nd 2006

Scarlet~

I want Jim and Pam to eventually be together, but I would be very disappointed if they ended up hooking up before she and Roy broke up. It's not Pam, and it's definitely not Jim to do that. I feel like part of what's keeping him from expressing his feelings to her at this point is the fact that he is a stand-up guy who knows she's engaged and knows it would just not be right to declare his love for someone who is going to marry another man. If he and Pam just fooled around, it would fly in the face of all of that. Plus, what a cheap way to end the tension that is Jam...after all that build-up, to have them be all secretive and guilt-ridden would be a big disappointment. Yuck. I'd rather never see them together than to see that.

But, that all being said, I'd like to reiterate that I definitely want them to be together. Just in the right way :-)

Feb 24th 2006

Hey Michelle,

I totally agree with you. That little "theory" was actually inspired by a fanfic where Jim and Pam end up smooching in the Supply Closet when the door locks behind them. It was so sweet and still managed to be quite innocent. I'd rather that get together and have it be free and clear with no regrets. I LOVE the idea that someone had on another thread about the documentary crew showing Pam a montage of JAM moments, thus changing her mind about the wedding. The folks at Northern Attack come up with the best ideas! :)

Mar 2nd 2006

I'm sure it has been posted elsewhere but I stumbled across this in the excellent BJ Novak interview.

Jim + Pam montage

Mar 3rd 2006

Reposted from closed thread: James, is it OK to start a new thread? If not, go ahead and move this to the JAM conversation.

OK, so I think TV is plagued with "Will they, won't they?" relationships that string viewers along and ultimately taint otherwise good TV. After last night's episode with JAM ... I don't know, I'm just annoyed with the entire situation. There's a point where it becomes a "who-cares" situation. I think I'll stick to watching Michael-Jan and Dwight-Angela unfold.

So, here are a few relationships I hope JAM doesn't mirror:

Amy and Ephram - Everwood

Ross and Rachel (I plead The Office gods not to create a "break," a immaculately conceived baby or an airport scene.)

Lois and Clark - " "

Ed and the blond chick on "Ed"

Yes, even BIG got old in Sex in the City

So, any others you guys want to add? Or, do you think I'm totally of base?

Mar 3rd 2006

We're in agreement that the writers on this show are extremely talented and can pull off scenarios that other writers could not...so why not bring Pam and Jim together and mine the comedy gold in that? The potential for real office romance comedy is unlimited, so why be afraid of it? Why follow the standard procedure of waiting until the end of the series to bring them together? (and, BTW, has there ever been a will they/won't they scenario on TV that ended with the characters NOT getting together?) It's starting to get cliche to keep them apart "just because" that's how you maintain sparks. If this were true in real life, no one would ever get married.

So I challenge you, "Office" writers! Stop cowering in the corner and show us what you're really made of. Bring Jim and Pam together and manage to make it touching and heartfelt and pee-in-our-pants funny. It's a win-win. We get to see them together, you get to stretch your comic genius minds and go where TV writers have not gone before. And, if anyone can do it, you can. Don't be like all the other shows.

Mar 3rd 2006

I dunno... the aspect of JAM that makes everything work is that it is so obvious they should be together but they just can't be. There could still be humor if they got together (think more "Are you going to cry Jim? Do you need a tissue?" which was perfectly delivered, mind you), but the awkwardness that makes JAM so awesome would be gone.

Dwangela, on the other hand... that just seems like it would be a train wreck, yet the two get along quite famously. That and the fact that the relationship hasn't really been developed makes Dwangela so awesome.

Do I want JAM to be together? Yes. At the same time, I believe doing so would rob The Office of some of what makes it great.

Mar 3rd 2006 edited

You make some good points Michelle. A lot of people argue that there have been to many TV couples jumpt the shark and fail - David/Maddie (Moonlighting). Ross/Rachel, Niles/Daphne, etc....Some have been successful in doing it though. My favorite is Sam/Diane from Cheers - Ted Danson and Shelly Long had great chemistry ala John/Jenna. Once Sam/Diane hooked up and started their antics the ratings exploded. We know the outcome - 11 years, numerous Emmys, one of the greatest sitcoms ever.

Here's an interesting response from Greg Daniels regarding Jim/Pam. It sounds like he's going to try to keep the tension/unrequited love thing going as long as possible.

Will Jim and Pam get together? Daniels - “We’ve been thinking about that a lot and I kind of don’t want to figure out [for sure where that is going]. I don’t want to like, back into the idea of it -- figure out what the audience wants most and then do that. I think that’s a mistake. I think we just need to follow what is happening there. I don’t want to aim at some outcome.”

I have confidence in these writers though. They are very good and Daniels is a season veteran, he knows what he's doing. The one thing just about everybody agrees on is that the "Jim angst" angle is getting tiresome. We're finally starting to see that go away. If we're not going to see Jim/Pam hook up then let's at least see Pam pine for Jim. Give Jim a girlfriend - let Pam finally endurse some heartache.

Mar 3rd 2006

I think that the brilliance of this show is that the writers take what seems mundane and make it exceptional. I would love to see the writers take on the challenge of writing after the relationship is consummated, so to speak. Who's done that well? Not many. I think that would be a challenge well met by the Office scribes. They're too good to fail.

Mar 3rd 2006

So I challenge you, "Office" writers! Stop cowering in the corner and show us what you're really made of.

A challenge! I love it! We're on the same page, Michelle.

My husband and I were just discussing this topic over dinner. Let the characters grow into each other! We have very good friends who dated and worked together (they recently got married). That in itself is a good season of subjects: inter-office or client jealousy, competitiveness, working together after a fight, too much PDA (can't you see Angela having a hissy fit over JAM hand holding or hugging), hooking up in the storage room, pregnancy scares ... there's room for Jim and Pam to grow together in a non-cliche TV way.

Who's done that well? Not many. I think that would be a challenge well met by the Office scribes. They're too good to fail.

OK, I'm going to put my faith back into the writers. They'll take care of their characters, right?

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