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Really listen to the pauses : Speculation
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Feb 20th 2006 edited

I'd say the topic title is obvious. This is speculation without spoilers.

Feb 20th 2006 edited

I don't think Roy and Pam will get married. I also don't think Pam will have enough courage to let go of Roy. As of now, I predict that Roy will break it off with Pam (probably in the season finale).

Jim - I think the cliffhanger at the end of the season will be Jim leaving Dunder-Mifflin. He may not leave DM altogether , but I see him at least leaving the Scranton office.

I would then like to see Season 3 begin in "real time". A few months will have passed by - Pam will be dealing with life without Jim (and the breakup with Roy). Obviously, some storyline will then allow Jim to come back to Dunder-Mifflin.

Feb 20th 2006

Maybe Roy will hook up with the Purse Girl (since he'd be all over that if he weren't dating Pam...) and that will give Pam an "excuse" to dump him. Or maybe his Valentine's Day gift to Pam wasn't all he promised it would be and she'll leave him for that reason :-)

Feb 20th 2006

I think Season 2 will end with some kind of serious melt-down between Pam and Roy which results in a "trial seperation" in which Pam takes the internship in New York. That way, the time passed over the summer will be the internship that we'll learn more about when the show returns in the fall. I also think it's important to keep Pam and Jim apart for a while. Jim loves her, but the last thing he wants to be is the fall-back, rebound guy. Pam needs to come to JIM once she's had a chance to re-evaluate things and see the light.

Can't wait to see how it all plays out!

Feb 20th 2006

And Jim can't know about the break up, we need that dramatic irony.

Feb 20th 2006

There were a couple of plot lines from the British version that may have been set up in Valentine's Day. In the BBC show one of the other branch managers was David Brent's (Michael Scott) rival/nemesis and a malor character in the show. I think Josh of the Stamford branch could be that guy. Also, in the BBC version a neighboring branch was closed down and several workers from that branch were relocated to Slough (David Brent's branch). I think the ineptness of Craig from Albany might be the continuation of a downsizing plot line that was begun in the first season but almost completely dropped this season.

Feb 21st 2006

Michelle-- ITA about Roy and the purse girl. Not only would he be "all over that", but on the booze cruise, he seemed to have more in common with her than with Pam. I wonder if the writers will take it there?

Pam definitely needs some Jim-less time to reflect. I also would like see her come to Jim because he's Jim. Not cause she's lost without Roy and the security that comes from being "engaged".

I'm so keen to see where this goes! I've never been one to "ship" TV characters, but Jam just gets to me!

Nov 7th 2006 edited

OK, I'm bumping this thread due to the fact that there are so many of us who don't want to read or know about spoilers, but still want to talk about upcoming episodes, i.e. speculate.

Edited to add my own bit of speculation: how do you think Jim is going to feel hearing that he may be soon working with Pam again? I can't believe he's going to be ecstatic about it. It'll just be throwing him back into a weird situation. Plus, he's spent a lot of time trying to get over Pam and get on with his life.

Nov 7th 2006

Yes, but having circumstance throw them back together means he doesn't have to swallow his pride to quench his curiosity. Are things different now without Roy? He can just let life happen and let Pam do the talking this time.

Nov 7th 2006

I wonder more how Pam will feel -- depending on where the merged branch ends up, she's got a lot more up in the air. Do they need another receptionist in Stamford? Would the show really sacrifice the Scranton setting anyway?

Would you travel to Stamford to follow you position answering phones at a paper company? I think that any downsizing of Scranton would essentially leave Pam jobless, plus Royless, so.....do you now go to New York and try to be an artist or do you go find your Jim and finally go balls-out on something, for the first time in your life?

Nov 7th 2006

A show called "The Office" isn't going to bail on the very office! Stamford, however, is a pretty nice place to live (especially if Pam already knows someone there) so moving isn't a bad idea, although they don't need another receptionist. Hopefully Pam would have the guts to ask Jan again about the graphic designer training opportunity and that would give her an immediate goal.

Nov 7th 2006

he doesn't have to swallow his pride to quench his curiosity

Perfectly said, Pan. I do think Jim is curious.

Nov 7th 2006

I'm pretty sure that they are going to stay in Scranton and absorb Stamford, but I would love for Pam to take the art classes in NYC. I'm interested to see the dynamic between Karen and Pam. With Karen being the self-confident lady she is, I can see her being open about her feelings for Jim with Pam, and Pam feeling uncomfortable. Then having Karen eventually find about about the previous JAM connection.

Nov 7th 2006

What would we think if Pam went to the internship/training program just as Jim was coming back to Scranton? That would be a way for Jim to interact with our favorites AND prolong our misery.

Nov 7th 2006

That would be a fabulous twist, that I definitely wouldn't see coming!

Nov 7th 2006

I would enjoy the torture, but I don't think they'd do it...it's a little TOO contrived.

I think Jim is definitely curious, hence the slick segue into the "fancy new Beesly...new apartment, new stories..." in Initiation. (I can't decide, btw, if he - or she, for that matter - would have gotten around to the serious gorilla-in-the-room issues if their phone call hadn't been interrupted).

Do you think Jim would feign disinterest out of spite? Do you guys think he's angry at Pam, or just hopeless that she wants the same things he does from their relationship?

Nov 7th 2006

I would say a little angry, more than a little embarassed, and heavily skeptical that her feelings have changed.

I keep thinking of how he looked at the camera after their phone call. Very much like an alcoholic saying "I'll just have one beer..."

What do you think?

Nov 7th 2006

Thank you CZ-J for finding and resurrecting this thread. Long post upcoming, lots of things I've wanted to "talk" about.

I can't imagine a scenario where Scranton is permanently shut down and everyone moves to Stamford. Scranton is a big part of the show, big enough that I almost consider it another character, and I don't see them getting rid of a character at this point. I'm very interested in seeing how the creators handle this storyline over the next two weeks. I haven't been able to find any info on who is writing the next two episodes - does anyone know? I'll bet Greg Daniels does at least one, seems like he writes some of the episodes with more serious subject matter.

If Josh, Karen, and Andy transfer to Scranton I'll have to suspend belief a little bit. To me, it doesn't seem their jobs are that great that they would be willing to move three hours to keep them. Surely they could find similar jobs around Stamford and I don't think they'd look at moving to Scranton as a great opportunity. Minor quibble.

Josh, Karen, and Andy are not permanent cast members, they are guests, and if I remember right they signed on for 10 episodes. So I wonder if they will eventually leave the show? I'd really like for Andy to become permanent, I've really enjoyed him and would love to see him interact with the Scranton gang.

I think that Pam will show more initial angst than Jim at being reunited, just because that fits her personality more. I see Jim returning to a hero's welcome in Scranton, except by Dwight of course, and trying to be somewhat aloof around Pam. But that won't last long. As evidenced by The Call, they naturally get along so well and have such an easy rapport that I think they'll be back to their old tricks in no time. I wonder where he'll sit now that Ryan has his old desk?

I read the episode description for the Nov. 30th episode on Office Tally last night. There was a sentence in there that has me giddy with anticipation.

Nov 7th 2006

I somewhat agree about Andy, Karen and Jim not transferring to Scranton. But they are all young, single, and if that's where the job takes them, I think they would go. They are sales managers (so not just any salesman), and based on their clothing, they appear to be paid relatively well. For some reason, I feel like Andy's job is his life (all of his drinking buddies at Cornell probably moved to NYC), and I think Karen may move at the excitement of a new city (even if it is Scranton), especially if it keeps her close to Jim.

Nov 7th 2006

Pan, I totally agree with you on that analogy - if he was being honest with her about his feelings in Casino Night, then those aren't the kind of superficial feelings you can just turn on and off at will or get over in a few months. It is kind of like an addiction, where if you're not careful you can totally ruin your rehab in an instant of weakness. And you're right...I think the embarrassment would be profound.

Another interesting thing - she never told him anything regarding her feelings. I wonder if he realizes this, or if he chooses to ignore it so as not to cling to false hope (or what he imagines is false hope).

Also, Jenna Loves Josh, I agree with you in that he may be aloof at first - as a self-preservation thing. I don't know how long his willpower will hold out. I also don't think they'll close Scranton...

...so basically, I agree with everyone. ;)

Nov 7th 2006 edited

They are sales managers

They are? I don't think so, I think Karen and Andy are regular sales people, same as Stanley and Phyllis, albeit better dressed. Jim is an Asst. Regional Manager now, same as Dwight, which has the potential for much hiliarity when they end up back in the same office.

Regarding Jim's feelings for Pam being a sort of addiction - what's the Godfather line? "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in."

Nov 7th 2006

I also agree that it would be unrealistic for Karen and Andy to transfer to Scranton, which makes me think that maybe they get offered a promotion or some type of raise for moving. On the other hand, I can see Andy thinking that he and Jim have become spectacular friends and wanting to move to Scranton with his buddy (like a team, an unstoppable team that competes against other teams). I guess if Karen doesn't have any attachments or just needs a change of scenery it would be sorta understandable for her to go. Ok, I really don't know now.

I really don't see them shutting down Scranton. I sorta get the impression that maybe they just hear a rumor or Michael misinterprets something from corporate. There's just no way we're going to lose the location or half the cast.

Anyone think we're going to see Carol again? I think if anyone were able to forgive Michael for his sudden proposal it would be Carol, but at the same time, this may have been a wake up call for her.

Nov 7th 2006

I don't think we'll see Carol again--she's not going to go out with him anymore. He was freaky-needy and she doesn't need the drama with two kids. Besides, we need to see more Jan and Michael! I love how Jan is torn about being attracted and repulsed by him.

Do I remember correctly from that Tim Meadows/Sales Contract/Chili's/Hook-Up episode that Jan and her husband divorced over the issue of kids or is that wishful thinking?

In real life there's no way Andy and Karen would move from Stamford to Scranton. There are too many sales jobs for good people in nicer, nearer cities. Sticking with a company might make sense for the older Andy (depending on how much he has invested in a retirement plan if they have such a thing) but how many promotions can be offered for the Scranton branch? We might see them working from corporate and popping in now and then.

Nov 7th 2006

Ooooh coroporate. That's a good point.

I've been wondering how they could convincingly make that happen. I thought that perhaps being put up in Scranton while they helped facilitate the branch merger might work, but that would be awkward and only marginally make sense.

But corporate could woek! Yesssss....

Nov 7th 2006

work, not woek

I'm no Mavis Beacon.

Nov 7th 2006

it would be unrealistic for Karen and Andy to transfer to Scranton

I know many people, my husband and uncle included, who transferred to sometimes less desirable locations in the country but within a company. All of them were given a hefty "bonus" for the move. My uncle's salary went up $10,000 a year for the three years he has to stay in his new location. It was a downsizing/getting another branch set-up thing to take on more than one area of work. His job wasn't necessarily that important, but he was good at it and they could rely on him to get things done. So, it does happen even if it's temporary, like in my uncle's case.

Nov 7th 2006

I agree that's it is realistic for Jim, Andy, and Karen to transfer, because like This Gal says, they are young and single. As far as we know, there is nothing tieing them to Stamford. We also don't know how long Andy & Karen have been working for D-M. If there's nothing keeping them in Stamford, it might be easier to just transfer than find another job. (I know I hate looking for jobs!)

Plus, we don't really know how good of salespeople Karen & Andy are... they might be worried about going on the job hunt...

Nov 7th 2006

Do you guys think he's angry at Pam, or just hopeless that she wants the same things he does from their relationship?

Emmyjean, I'm just wondering, why might Jim be angry at Pam? He hasn't displayed any anger towards her that I can remember. He accepted her decision because he loves her and wants her to be happy, even if he was hurt as a result.

It just doesn't sound like Jim to be angry. It's my bet he's taking his own advice that he gave Kelly, " You just gotta suck it up. You just gotta move on. Try to have some fun."

Nov 7th 2006

Plaid, I think we're actually agreeing with each other. ;)

I don't think he IS angry...I don't know, I just get the impression from alot of people I talk to about the show that Pam has something to apologize for and that Jim would be justified in being aloof and cold to her when they reunite, which led me to believe that many think he is harboring anger.

That's why I was asking...I'd never seen any signs of that, either. So, you answered my question...thanks! ;)

Nov 7th 2006

What has Pam done to apologize for? You are certainly allowed to reject a guy's advances, even if you want them. She was engaged. Granted, she was flustered and abrupt and accepted his kiss, but she was completely clear that she was going to go through with the wedding and she didn't humiliate or mock Jim. She doesn't have to apologize to Jim for calling it off, either. Or for not pursuing/toying with a guy who moved out of state. It's just a sad situation.

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