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May 8th 2007

I don't hate The Coup, but I agree that there are several other more "standout" episodes that would make more sense, to me, to use for Emmy consideration. I don't know exactly how tv.com does their ratings, but the lowest score they gave an episode was 9.0 to Phyllis' Wedding, and a few others (including The Coup) got 9.1. A few othes, including Traveling Salesmen, The Return, and A Benihana Christmas, got 9.6.

(Their ratings are generally inflated, but it at least gives a relative comparison.)

May 8th 2007 edited

The Coup was written by Paul Lieberstein, who's episodes I generally have enjoyed. His eps seem to always put fans in the "love it" or "hate it" camp, with few in the middle ground. I'm in the love it camp for The Coup, as I am with most PL eps.

I'm in the "hate it" camp when it comes to Lieberstein episodes, although "hate it" in this context means "don't love it as much as others". I did appreciate The Coup more after seeing how it set up the events of Traveling Salesman and The Return, but overall I thought only Phyllis' Wedding this season was worse. And I loved The Convention and thought it was one of the best episodes of the season. Like you said, our own opinions.

What was even stranger than using The Coup as a submission for best episode was John Krasinski submitting Business School for his best supporting actor nomination. He barely did anything in that. Seems like The Convention or Traveling Salesman or The Return would have made more sense.

I did read somewhere that submissions can be changed until May 31st. Surely some Big Things will happen in the final two episodes, I wonder if they will end up being used for some of the actors' submissions.

May 8th 2007

Well, BS has all the vampire stuff, which I thought was freakin' hilarious. Maybe he wanted to submit an episode that was mostly comedic in nature, as opposed to angsty.

I wouldn't be surprised either, though, if anyone was really planning on using one of the remaining two episodes.

May 8th 2007

Well, BS has all the vampire stuff, which I thought was freakin' hilarious.

I thought it was hilarious too, but there were several other episodes where he was more the focus of the story.

May 8th 2007

Ugh... They've nominated "The Coup" for the Best Comedy Series Emmy. This may lend more weight to the theory that NBC is appealing to the moronic masses. The Coup was one of the season's most slapstick, over-the-top-ridiculous episodes. Little of the stuff we here love, but lots of lowest common denominator type comedy. Sigh...

Are Emmy voters really lowest common denominator people?

May 8th 2007

I thought it was hilarious too, but there were several other episodes where he was more the focus of the story.

Well, he's going for Best Supporting Actor in a Comedy Series, so maybe he wanted to submit an episode where he's actually creating the comedy, as opposed to reacting to or encouraging other people's wackiness.

May 8th 2007 edited

I don't know exactly how tv.com does their ratings, but the lowest score they gave an episode was 9.0 to Phyllis' Wedding, and a few others (including The Coup) got 9.1. A few othes, including Traveling Salesmen, The Return, and A Benihana Christmas, got 9.6.

On a scale from 9 to The Office...

Behind the idiocy that appeared onscreen, I think "The Coup" is a lot better episode on paper than how it came out. The concept of Dwight being nudged into making a power play has appeal...they (especially Rainn) just didn't pull it off. Steve did some fine work as Betrayed Mike, and the juxtaposition of Movie Monday with Call of Duty had some oomph. But overall I hated it. (That stupid waffle scene...)

But They might be a little blind to how poorly executed it was. They know it was a good ep idea, and maybe Rainn was cracking people up during filming, so they thought it would be funny to put some of that stuff in...

May 8th 2007

I wouldn't be surprised either, though, if anyone was really planning on using one of the remaining two episodes.

Well Leslie David Baker has submitted Beach Games for his episode...

Are Emmy voters really lowest common denominator people?

I don't know how the Emmys are voted on; i.e. Does a committee select the winners? Does the public vote? I was basically just pointing out some support for the theory discussed briefly on the first page of this thread that network pressure has probably been a factor in the change of feel from season 2 to season 3. I didn't mean to offend any Emmy voters here :)

May 8th 2007

I don't know how the Emmys are voted on; i.e. Does a committee select the winners? Does the public vote?

Committees are involved in the nomination process; the voting is done by members of the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences.

May 9th 2007

But overall I hated it. (That stupid waffle scene...)

That waffle scene ruined the episode for me. Too sitcomy.

We are all big fans, but we sure see things differently at times.
I don't understand why so many didn't care for Phyllis' Wedding. I mean, I know the reasons from all of the posts, but I really enjoyed that episode and watched it over quite a few times.

Where are you guys finding this information on which episodes were submitted by which actors?

May 9th 2007

OT has it up on her main page.

And I loved the waffle scene, especially on repeat viewings after I read that Rainn Wilson ate like 50 waffles doing retakes. I liked Phallis's Wedding, too, even if I didn't like everything that happened in it.

Are Emmy voters really lowest common denominator people?

Well they've made Monk an award-winning show, so in a word, yes.

May 9th 2007 edited

copied and pasted...

The Office’s preliminary submissions for Emmy consideration

Comedy Series
The Office - “The Coup”

Lead Actor
The Office - Steve Carell, “Business School”

Supporting Actor
The Office - Leslie David Baker, “Beach Games”
The Office - Brian Baumgartner, “Phyllis’ Wedding”
The Office - David Denman, “Cocktails”
The Office - Ed Helms, episode?
The Office - John Krasinski, “Business School”
The Office - Paul Lieberstein, “The Negotiation”
The Office - B.J. Novak, “Business School”
The Office - Oscar Nunez, “Gay Witch Hunt”
The Office - Rainn Wilson, “The Coup”

Supporting Actress
The Office - Jenna Fischer, “Grief Counseling”
The Office - Kate Flannery, “Women’s Appreciation”
The Office - Melora Hardin, “Cocktails”
The Office - Mindy Kaling, episode?
The Office - Angela Kinsey, “Traveling Salesmen”
The Office - Phyllis Smith, “Phyllis’ Wedding”

Guest Actress
The Office - Rashida Jones, “A Benihana Christmas”

Guest Actor
The Office - Wayne Wilderson, “The Convict”

Comedy Series Writing
The Office - Paul Lieberstein, “The Coup”

*courtesy of OfficeTally.com

May 9th 2007

Well they've made Monk an award-winning show, so in a word, yes.

I resent that, as a huge Monk fan.

May 9th 2007

I resent that, as a huge Monk fan.

Yeah, but didn't the Monk guy win last year over Steve Carell? Surely you can't be happy with that!

May 9th 2007

No need to be resentful. I only question it being an award-winning show, especially since it comes at The Office's expense.

May 9th 2007

Brian thanks for posting the nominations. As one who is a recovering spoileraholic, having the nominations posted here keeps me from forming an excuse to go to OT where spoilers run rampant and temptation to peek is too great.

May 9th 2007

I like Monk, although I liked it better with the original female lead, and Tony Shalhoub is definitely the best part of the show. Steve Carell should've beat him out last year, though.

May 9th 2007

Brian thanks for posting the nominations.

You're welcome, but to be honest, I don't see too many spoilers at OT because they're grouped at the spoiler page there. You have to seek it out. That doesn't include previews/promos, but the most spoiler-y articles are hidden there.

May 9th 2007

I don't understand why so many didn't care for Phyllis' Wedding

Because it wasn't funny? That's why I didn't like it. It was all of the bad things about The Office and none of the good ones, as far as I'm concerned.

May 9th 2007

Because it wasn't funny?

That's debatable. There are basically two schools of thought.

May 9th 2007

Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

Oct 5th 2008

Greg Daniels is da pimp. Discuss.

Oct 5th 2008

I thank Thor that he had the foresight to bring this series to fruition.

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