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2.01 The Dundies
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Apr 17th 2006

Does anyone think the song selection directly after "the kiss" where Jim and Pam are on stools, talking to the camera, was a deliberate choice by the show? It was that cheesy song from Dirty Dancing...something like...."I've had the time of my life, and I owe it all to you..." The way Pam is looking at Jim as he's talking, makes me think that that particular moment was just about the greatest night of her life-and it really WAS because of Jim-whether she knew he was responsible for the Whitest Sneakers Award or not. We've never seen Pam so giddy and happy-sure she was drunk, but still...

And I've never been so PO'd at the cameraman than at the moment outside Angela's car where Pam wanted to ask Jim a question, but then chickened out because they weren't "alone." Talk about frustration for a JAM fan!

I know there was a discussion speculating about what Pam was going to ask him. I think she was going to ask if he got Michael to give up on the "Longest Engagement" award because her face right before he announced it, pretty much told me she was expecting the worst.

May 18th 2006

I've watched The Dundies countless times and I always notice something that I've never mentioned before and I've never seen mentioned. It's hilarious.

After the first shot of the outside of Chili's, we see Dwight tapping two plastic plates together to get everyone's attention. As he does this, look down and to the left of Dwight and you can see the top of Michael's head in his grey Nike hoodie as he is hunched down, preparing to do his "Dundies" rendition of O.P.P. There is a cutaway, then the camera comes back to Dwight and you can still see Michael's head.

This has always killed me. I think about what was going through Steve Carell's mind in those moments. What commitment that man has!

Jun 24th 2006

hello everyone. I'm a long-time lurker and I spotted something that has finally moved me to post something. When Michael gives Kevin the "Don't Go In There After Me"-award, the trophy is a crouching man, instead of a bowler or businessman, and I'm pretty sure its a trophy of a man going #2.

Jun 24th 2006

Wow, great spot thehotpeople! Even when I looked for that it was hard to spot. Well done!!

Feb 25th 2007

A couple observations on this ep seemed timely. I just popped it on iTunes and when Pam is reviewing tapes of past awards, she watches as Michael awards her Longest Engagement, right? Well Roy accepts on her behalf. And when Michael asks if he has anything to say, he says, "See you next year." And then when he grabs her arm in the parking lot, it's not quite what you'd call physical abuse, but it was definitely way more physical than a normal man gets with any woman, let alone his fiance and lifelong love.

And Phyllis winning Bushiest Beaver is so damn funny, even better than Kevin's Stinkiest Bowel Movement (a.k.a The Don't Go In There Award).

Feb 25th 2007

And Phyllis winning Bushiest Beaver is so damn funny, even better than Kevin's Stinkiest Bowel Movement (a.k.a The Don't Go In There Award).

Upon repeated viewings, I noticed that Kevin's trophy isn't the classic business man with Briefcase. Kevin's trophy has a man stooping in bowel movement formation.

Feb 25th 2007

TO, look up four posts and about 9 months back. I have to go look now myself.

Feb 25th 2007

Also, the doc crew plays such a role throughout, not only influencing scenes, such as Pam and Jim outside at the end, but also just with characters talking to the camera outside the talking head setting. I do miss that. It set the show apart, and I think they got away from it needlessly.

Feb 25th 2007

Wow, I just rewatched this episode 30 minutes ago and I find this thread gets bumped... 30 minutes ago. Watching this episode makes me remember everything that made me fall in love with the show, from the jokes, the documentary-style camera, and the JAM moments. Everything is just done to absolute perfection in this episode. The parking lot scene with Pam and Jim gets me choked up every time. I agree with you Brian, it seems newer episodes have had a much less of a documentary influence to it, which really detracts a bit from the show. The Dundies really executes it beautifully.

Feb 25th 2007

I watched this one recently on the plane, and I think it may be climbing into #1 episode territory. The end with Jim and Pam in the parking lot was done so beautifully. Ah, Jim, Pam, where have you gone?

Feb 25th 2007

Jenna Fischer's performance as drunk Pam was stupendous. From the big "Whoooo!" at the end of her acceptance speech to the focused nodding preceding her bar stool dive to her "BEST DUNDIES EVER!" right into the camera, Pam is the most adorable drunk on the planet.

Feb 25th 2007

Jenna apparently doesn't drink much, so she "prepared" for that scene by going out with BJ Novak and getting drunk, just so she could nail it. I offered to get her drunk once too so I could nail... no wait, that was just a dream. A very nice dream.

If you'll all excuse me, I'm going to bed. You never know when a dream might be a recurring one!

Feb 26th 2007

TO, look up four posts and about 9 months back. I have to go look now myself.

Thanks, Brian. I feel stupid for not checking the previous posts before I posted myself. I love that (the crouching man trophy) though. I had to pause my DVR to see it. I was actually trying to check out Stacey's expression when I noticed it. How can this show be so funny? Oh, and spicy, curry gets me everytime.

...but also just with characters talking to the camera outside the talking head setting

Brian, what do you mean by that? The only time I can remember anyone talking to the camera without it being a talking head is when Pam said, "Oh! Yes! Thank you." to the camera in Email Surveillance.

Feb 26th 2007

Brian, what do you mean by that?

In The Dundies, when Jim and Pam are sitting at the bar and Jim is explaining why it was a good Dundies ("We got to see Pam, We got to hear Michael ruin the lyrics to songs" etc). I assume this is what Brian meant.

P.S. Excuse the extreme paraphrasing, I'm going from memory and it's been many moons since I last watched The Dundies.

Feb 26th 2007 edited

A couple other examples include Michael giving the cameras a tour of the office to see everyone's past Dundies (Stanley tossed his, Dwight's are in a case over his bed, Jim hides his so he won't get cocky and in the conference room as Pam is reviewing past footage.

I wonder if they thought this would become a gimmick. I miss it, though.

Also, this episode can make you feel bad about where the show has gone, because seriously, when was the last episode as good as this one?

ETA...

I offered to get her drunk once too so I could nail... no

Niiiice

Feb 26th 2007

The Dundies has always been my favorite episode. Just as important as jokes and neat moments is the flow of the whole episode. You can just feel how down everyone is as the Dundies drags on, then it hits rock bottom as the guys throw stuff at Michael and he quits. Pam is the one who turns it around and single-handedly changes the course of the whole evening. You just feel this swell as everyone starts having a good time, then of course the kiss and the events in the parking lot. Cue "Tiny Dancer" at just the right time and the whole night seems filled with mysterious portents and unlimited possibilities. Who hasn't had a night of magic like that at least once in their life? I get goosebumps every time I see the end of that episode.

Feb 26th 2007

The Secret's my favorite episode but The Dundies is a very very close second. This is when my Jenna Fischer love went into overdrive, as Drunk Pam is still my favorite moment in the history of the show, especially when she's with Jim at the bar. Three great subtle moments in this episode - Michael's reaction when Pam yanks the microphone out of his hand, Kevin and Stanley's wife Teri's background reactions to Pam kissing Jim, and Michael's quick glance to the bar when Pam falls off her chair before he continues singing. And the Chili's manager is my favorite one-appearance-only character ever. I love that he not only 86'd Pam from that Chili's, but said she wasn't allowed in this restaurant establishment ever again, like every Chili's nationwide now has a picture of Pam at the hostess stand with a big red circle and a line through her face.

Feb 26th 2007

The Secret's my favorite episode but The Dundies is a very very close second

Same here.

Brian, thanks for the examples. I just wasn't sure what you were talking about but now I do. It's funny that Hulkweazel said:

it seems newer episodes have had a much less of a documentary influence to it, which really detracts a bit from the show. The Dundies really executes it beautifully.

and that's true, but the Dundies also broke the documentary rules when they put the Tiny Dancer music in the end of the parking lot scene. Even though I liked it a lot. Maybe it's okay to add musical accompaniment to a documentary when it is aired. I just always thought it was wrong.

Feb 26th 2007

That docu-violation bothered me then more than now. The way they've gotten away from it (with the exception of the talking heads) has made me long for some of that camera awareness. Since they decided not to go the Gervais route of ignoring the cameras completely, I think they should embrace them, build an episode around them here and there. Maybe air the doc. Instead they're kind of schizophrenic about it, not entirely in either camp.

Question: if they ever aired the doc, do you think it would be the show that we see or some completely different format based all or in part on what we see. Could be that the show, in this parallel universe, is like the editor's rough cut. Knowwhatimean?

Feb 26th 2007

Question: if they ever aired the doc, do you think it would be the show that we see or some completely different format based all or in part on what we see. Could be that the show, in this parallel universe, is like the editor's rough cut. Knowwhatimean?

I've always thought that we are seeing the final version, that we the "real" audience are watching the same show at the same time the "fake" audience is, if that makes any sense.

Feb 26th 2007

I heard somebody--Daniels, I think--defend the use of Tiny Dancer, saying that documentaries could score with music that had appeared in the footage, or something.

Feb 26th 2007

You mean there are rules about scoring documentaries? They don't have soundtracks? I am thinking of the most recent documentaries I've seen (Supersize Me and something about Amish teens) and I have no recollection about the soundtrack.

Feb 26th 2007

If there's a rule against it, somebody needs to tell the Academy, since the documentary An Inconvenient Truth won for best original song!

Feb 27th 2007

Since they decided not to go the Gervais route of ignoring the cameras completely, I think they should embrace them, build an episode around them here and there.

Brian, I'm sorry, I don't mean to be difficult, but I'm not sure what you mean again. By the "Gervais route," are you referring to the BBC Office? and if so, what do you mean that they ignored the cameras completely? I've seen all of the episodes and they do a lot of talking directly to the camera crew, and glancing at the camera. When Tim talked to Dawn privately, he even took off his microphone, showing how aware he was of the camera's presence.

Feb 27th 2007

They did the talking heads in Slough, but when the cameras were roaming the office you saw almost no acknowledgement of them. And I remember reading a long time ago Gervais saying that was very intentional. When Tim pulled off his mic, did he even look around to see where the cameraman was? It's more what I'd expect of a true documentary rather than people mugging for the lens, though I think the mugging is probably funnier.

Feb 27th 2007

You do get the occasional glance from Tim, usually at something Gareth says. He's not nearly the ham that Jim is, but he's pretty aware of the camera.

Feb 27th 2007

What about David Brent? Wasn't he constantly talking, or at least acknowledging, the camera, thoughout the show?

Mar 3rd 2007 edited

You do get the occasional glance from Tim, usually at something Gareth says. He's not nearly the ham that Jim is, but he's pretty aware of the camera.

What about David Brent? Wasn't he constantly talking, or at least acknowledging, the camera, thoughout the show?

Yes, and yes. That's the way I see it.

When Tim pulled off his mic, did he even look around to see where the cameraman was?

As a matter of fact, as soon as he got back to his desk, he put the mic back on, looked at the camera (from his desk, not a TH) and told the camera, " She said no, by the way. "

As griefbone noticed, David Brent talked to the camera quite a bit as he walked around the office. I don't think the secondary characters hammed it up though. They were basically going about their day doing their work.

Mar 3rd 2007

I only have the first season, but I think Tim and David Brent were the only ones to often acknowledge the camera on a constant basis (Tim's looks, and David's just being David).

Jun 13th 2007

During our marathon this past weekend, I noticed that at the end of The Dundies when Jim watches Pam and Angela drive away, they didn't play Tiny Dancer. I looked over to my friends and said "what the hell?" and they just looked at me wierd. I remembered Greg Daniels saying something in the commentary for The Dundies about putting that song at the end so I know its definately in the commentary. I just played it on my iPod and the iTunes version plays Tiny Dancer at the end too. I haven't checked my DVD again but do you guys think something is wrong with my DVD or do your guy's DVD do that too? I'll check it when I get home tonight but I figured I'd ask the all-knowing NA'ers first.

Then again, someone could have easily hit the mute button at this exact point.

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