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2.01 The Dundies
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Jan 18th 2008

Ok, I realize folks haven't visited this thread in awhile, but I just re-watched The Dundies and I need some rampant NA speculation about what Pam was going to ask Jim in the parking lot before she noticed the cameras. Given how early in the show's history the episode is it couldn't be that revealing could it?

Jan 18th 2008

"So, how 'bout those Mets?"

Jan 18th 2008 edited

Remember, DC, we were coming into the JAM story in media res. They'd already been sniffin' around each other for several years before the Camera Crew (and we) got there. In the S1 finale we had seen Pam being might unhappy to watch Jim go off with Katy. Earlier in The Dundies we saw her get into that big, ugly, almost physical fight with Roy. And then we saw Pam kiss Jim (In vino veritas, you know!).

I think Pam was going to make a move, and then chickened out when she saw the cameras.

I also think this gives a nice structural symmetry to S2. It starts with:

  1. Roy leaving

  2. Jim and Pam being adorably flirty

  3. Then they move to a dark parking lot where nothing happens.

Then (after lots of love and angst), the season ends with:

  1. Jim and Pam being adorably flirty

  2. Roy leaving

  3. Then they move to a dark parking lot where everything happens.

You'd almost think they'd planned it all out! :-)

Jan 18th 2008

I think Pam was going to make a move, and then chickened out when she saw the cameras.

mtt, It just doesn't seem like her style though, especially at the start of S2. Like the symmetry angle though.

Jan 18th 2008

I've always been tortured by that scene, DC. There are a lot of mysteries like that I'd love to have the answer to. In my mind it may have been something like, "if I wasn't engaged, would there be any chance for us?"

Jan 18th 2008

Oh, it wasn't her style. Even with a snoot full of booze she just couldn't do it. I'm only saying she wanted to.

And, speaking of symmetry, I just had a brainstorm a minute ago, and checked the episode list. Did you know that Booze Cruise was the 11th of 22 episodes in S2? (I didn't, until just now). So Pam almost confessed in the 1st episode. Jim almost confessed in the 11th. And then Jim did confess in the 22nd.

I'm sure someone has pointed that out before and if I had just read through every post on NA I would have found it. But, anyway...there it is.

Jan 18th 2008

In my mind it may have been something like, "if I wasn't engaged, would there be any chance for us?"

I was thinking something along the lines of "What do you think of Roy?" which would have opened a large can of worms.

Jan 18th 2008

In my mind it may have been something like, "if I wasn't engaged, would there be any chance for us?"

I think it would have been something very much like that. Not, "I love you." But...closer to what you suggested.

Jan 18th 2008

I'm only saying she wanted to.

But does Pam of early S2 really even know that?

Jan 18th 2008 edited

But does Pam of early S2 really even know that?

In my mind, absolutely she does. Why would she have kissed him otherwise?

Jan 18th 2008

In my mind, absolutely she does.

Yeah, well in my mind....uh, forget it.

Jan 18th 2008

Yeah, well in my mind....uh, forget it.

What were you going to say?

Jan 18th 2008

Why would she have kissed him otherwise?

Well, alcohol has strange effects and in that moment the kiss might have seemed a good idea, but I don't know about later in the parking lot.

Jan 18th 2008

Yeah, well in my mind....uh, forget it.

What were you going to say?

Be careful, St,D! When you push people to say "what they were going to say" they sometimes confess their love for you! ;-D

Jan 18th 2008

Be careful, St,D! When you push people to say "what they were going to say" they sometimes confess their love for you! ;-D

Wish I could do that single tear trick though. That works almost every time.

Jan 18th 2008

Wish I could do that single tear trick though. That works almost every time.

Yeah! Almost! I think Jim would say that almost was the operative word!

Jan 19th 2008

"So, how 'bout those Mets?"

Well obviously, but I think she was asking after that.

Jan 19th 2008 edited

"So, how 'bout those Mets?"

Well obviously, but I think she was asking after that.

I'm pretty sure they're Phillies fans anyway.

Jan 19th 2008

Not good either way.

Jan 19th 2008

Not good either way.

So after they decide whether Ryan Howard is the answer at 1st base where does the conversation lead?

Jan 19th 2008

I think she was going to ask him if he talked to Michael and told him not to give her the longest engagement award.

Jan 19th 2008

I think she was going to ask him if he talked to Michael and told him not to give her the longest engagement award.

But then why would she get embarrassed and shut her mouth just because she saw the cameras?

Sorry, CZ-J. As they say Down South, "that dog won't hunt". :-)

Jan 19th 2008

Because it implies that he cared enough about her not to see her suffer that humiliation. That's why she said, "Thank you" and Jim replied with "Not really a question." I highly doubt she was asking anything about Roy or getting ready to tell him something big.

Jan 19th 2008

I think she was going to ask him if he talked to Michael and told him not to give her the longest engagement award.

That could have been the question, but I really don't think it was incriminating enough to elicit the look that Pam gave to the camera. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of any other time that Pam was more pissed at Roy, than in that parking lot at Chilis. I think she knew that Jim had navigated Michael away from the longest engagement award to spare her feelings, and that, along with how pissed she was at Roy for not caring about what she wanted or how she felt, and the fact that she was drunk, prompted her to ask a more intimate question. Even in her inebriated state, she could see the stark contrast between the two men. She got caught, had to backpedal and she fell back on the "thank you". But then, maybe I'm just fanwanking. :)

Jan 19th 2008

Even in her inebriated state, she could see the stark contrast between the two men. She got caught, had to backpedal and she fell back on the "thank you". But then, maybe I'm just fanwanking. :)

That was my take as well. You make fanwanking sound like a bad thing :)

Jan 19th 2008

mtt, It just doesn't seem like her style though, especially at the start of S2.

Like someone mentioned above, she did have some drinks in her and as of Launch Party we found out that she knew she had feelings for Jim for a long time. I'm in the camp that thinks that she was going to ask something about them. (maybe if he had feelings for her, or I like the thing mtt mentioned about if she wasn't engaged)

Jan 19th 2008

I'm in the camp that thinks that she was going to ask something about them. (maybe if he had feelings for her, or I like the thing mtt mentioned about if she wasn't engaged)

Hi, limonada!

Thanks for the props, but to give credit where credit is due, it was St,D who made that suggestion regarding what Pam was going to ask Jim. I merely "dittoed" it.

I still do. For the whole thing to make sense dramatically it had to be much bigger than her thanking Jim for redirecting Michael away from giving an embarrassing Dundie award.

Jan 19th 2008

Thanks for the props, but to give credit where credit is due, it was St,D who made that suggestion regarding what Pam was going to ask Jim.

Whoops!

Jan 19th 2008

Interesting question, very interesting points.

mtt I love the symetry theory.

I'm in the same camp as DC

In my mind it may have been something like, "if I wasn't engaged, would there be any chance for us?"

I was thinking something along the lines of "What do you think of Roy?" which would have opened a large can of worms.

yes making a move is not Pam's style and yes she was drunk but she had sobered a little while they were waiting for Angela. I believe she was going to make some question that would just kinda tip Jim that she wasn't happy in her relationship and if that was the only thing keeping him from making a move he should reconsider. What question exactly I don't know. But I believe it was something that would tell Jim she wasn't happy with Roy. I don't think she looked at the camera and reconsidered because she was about to confess her love for Jim but because what she was planning to ask would be bad for her so very safe relationship with Roy. Admiting that in front of the camera would make things too real.

Jan 19th 2008

I don't think she looked at the camera and reconsidered because she was about to confess her love for Jim but because what she was planning to ask would be bad for her so very safe relationship with Roy.

I agree that she wasn't planning on telling him she loved him or anything close to that. I think it would have been more of a question designed to test the waters a bit.

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